1. Standard memberWulebgr
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    20 Mar '06 14:17
    Things look bleak for white, should he resign?

    White to move:



    This problem comes from Mihai Suba, Dynamic Chess Strategy, and Fritz 8 misses white's best move.
  2. Standard memberRagnorak
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    20 Mar '06 14:22
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    Things look bleak for white, should he resign?

    White to move:

    [fen]8/8/7p/3KNN1k/2p4p/8/3P2p1/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]

    This problem comes from Mihai Suba, Dynamic Chess Strategy, and Fritz 8 misses white's best move.
    Ng7+ looks very promising.

    D
  3. Standard memberWulebgr
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    20 Mar '06 14:26
    Originally posted by Ragnorak
    Ng7+ looks very promising.

    D
    Hiarcs 9 likes that after 10 hours of analysis. I believe it loses.
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    20 Mar '06 14:491 edit
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    Hiarcs 9 likes that after 10 hours of analysis. I believe it loses.
    Just had a very quick glance at work and starting looking at variations after Ng3+. Looks interesting, at least.
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    20 Mar '06 17:43
    I was looking at that to see if it bogs black down enough, but haven't concluded anything
  6. Standard memberGalaxyShield
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    20 Mar '06 18:42
    Nf3 looks ok. If h3 then Ng3+ Kg4 Ne2 and the promoting squares are both covered and should be able to be protected enough to allow white to promote his pawn.
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    20 Mar '06 19:04
    1.Ng7+ Kg5
    2.Nf3+ Kf4
    3.N:h4 g1D
    Maybe Draw, but small possibility!
    I think white lose anything, if opponent is good player!
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    20 Mar '06 19:202 edits
    Originally posted by GalaxyShield
    Nf3 looks ok. If h3 then Ng3+ Kg4 Ne2 and the promoting squares are both covered and should be able to be protected enough to allow white to promote his pawn.

    Looks good to me, what's the official answer?
  9. Standard memberWulebgr
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    20 Mar '06 20:521 edit
    Originally posted by frankijs
    I think white lose anything, if opponent is good player!
    I was able to draw Fritz 8 from this position. I did not move a knight first. When Fritz had white, I was able to win. Fritz moved a knight first.
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    20 Mar '06 21:326 edits
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    Things look bleak for white, should he resign?

    White to move:

    [fen]8/8/7p/3KNN1k/2p4p/8/3P2p1/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]

    This problem comes from Mihai Suba, Dynamic Chess Strategy, and Fritz 8 misses white's best move.
    1.) Nxh4 Kxh4
    2.) Nf3+ (can fork and prevent the promotion if the pawn promotes. any If the Black king does not capture the knight, then the same fork can be had with Nf3 again and prevent the promotion of the pawn.
    At this point, the White King can clear away the c-pawn, and prepare his own promotion strategy. Black's h-pawn is nothing to worry about, because white will promote before he ever gets there.

    Then, King can work a way to the pawn, and capture it. And, then work on the other pawn that prevents his own promotional pawn. Not too difficult. Sac a knight.
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    20 Mar '06 21:56
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    I was able to draw Fritz 8 from this position. I did not move a knight first. When Fritz had white, I was able to win. Fritz moved a knight first.
    Well, then
    1....Ke4 2.g1=Q 3.Ng7ch Kg5 4.Nf3ch wins the queen.
    If 1..Ke4 2.h3 Kf4!(threatens mate) 3.g1=Q Ng3ch, 4.Qxg3 Kxg3
  12. Standard memberWulebgr
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    20 Mar '06 22:06
    Originally posted by Regicidal
    Well, then
    1....Ke4 2.g1=Q 3.Ng7ch Kg5 4.Nf3ch wins the queen.
    If 1..Ke4 2.h3 Kf4!(threatens mate) 3.g1=Q Ng3ch, 4.Qxg3 Kxg3
    3...Qxg7 -+
  13. Standard memberWulebgr
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    20 Mar '06 22:08
    Originally posted by powershaker
    1.) Nxh4 Kxh4
    2.) Nf3+ (can fork and prevent the promotion if the pawn promotes. any If the Black king does not capture the knight, then the same fork can be had with Nf3 again and prevent the promotion of the pawn.
    At this point, the White King can clear away the c-pawn, and prepare his own promotion strategy. Black's h-pawn is nothing to worry abou ...[text shortened]... rk on the other pawn that prevents his own promotional pawn. Not too difficult. Sac a knight.
    2 ... Kg3 -+
  14. Standard memberWulebgr
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    21 Mar '06 14:24
    White plays 1.Kc6! After 1...g1Q 2.Nxh4 Qa1 (or any queen move; 2...Kxh4 3.Nf3+ and if there is any advantage it belongs to white) 3.Nhf3, we reach the following position:



    The black king is caged and the white pawn is protected. Black can chase the white king all over the board, but cannot deliver checkmate.
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    21 Mar '06 15:03
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    I was able to draw Fritz 8 from this position. I did not move a knight first. When Fritz had white, I was able to win. Fritz moved a knight first.
    How Long did you Leave it for?? and/or How powerful is your PC??

    I should imagine that Frtiz would have found the winning move simply by brute force evaluation....given a big Hash and time
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