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  1. 28 Dec '10 07:40
    Recently Robbie Carrobie challenged me to a game because I am a fanatical f4 player.
    Game 7988416


    I have a question: I have annotated this game

    http://www.redhotpawn.com/annotation/annotationinteractive.php?annotationid=527

    Is there a way to get the pgn with annotations?

    I will be posting up more f4 games when I have time for analysis.
  2. 28 Dec '10 07:53


    Go to your annotated game. Select interactive. Click on the PGN link under the board and then copy and paste.
  3. 28 Dec '10 08:38
    Originally posted by KneeCaps
    Go to your annotated game. Select interactive. Click on the PGN link under the board and then copy and paste.
    Thank you Mr KneeCaps 😀
  4. 28 Dec '10 13:31
    Originally posted by Tiwaking
    Thank you Mr KneeCaps 😀
    how do i annotate the game so as to give my own thoughts ?
  5. 28 Dec '10 14:32 / 1 edit
    To be honest, i think you got a bit lucky to end up with those 2 center pawns. But good playing.

    Couple of thoughts:
    4. Nc3, I don't like it, that knight gets in the way, and prevents setting up the stonewall defense with c3. My knight usually comes out via Nbd2, where it also can be used to defend the important e4 square.

    Another suggestion might be: 4. b4 --The bird/orangtuan attack, setting up the queen fianchetto bishop.
    Larsen v. Daly 1962 4. b4 Bg7 5. Bb2 O-O 6. Be2 Bg4 7. O-O Nbd7 8. c4 .....

    Edit: some other games from my DB that varied from your 4. Nc3 that you might want to peruse for future games.
    Tengu who was a pretty decent bird player around these parts tried his Nc3 in this game and blundered it a way. A common prolem I would gather against the fianchetto'd bishop.
    Game 1886622 MPP went with b3 and the fianchetto in this game: Game 2674249 Trad who was a decent enough bird player, went with castling earlier Game 1238104

    5. d4. If you are gonna go with the stonewall, you should have had c3 in position making ..c5 less of a threat.

    14. h3 I disagree that it is not a "great move". I think it is thematic as the kingside pawn attack is pretty much a given in the bird.

    well played.
  6. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    28 Dec '10 14:33
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    how do i annotate the game so as to give my own thoughts ?
    every time you wonder how something in the forum is done, click reply to the post in question, and find out from the 'quoted post' window.
  7. 28 Dec '10 14:38
    Originally posted by wormwood
    every time you wonder how something in the forum is done, click reply to the post in question, and find out from the 'quoted post' window.
    yes but then i would need to go through all of Tiwakings annotations and edit them out and put my own in, surely there must be an easier way 🙂
  8. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    28 Dec '10 16:15
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes but then i would need to go through all of Tiwakings annotations and edit them out and put my own in, surely there must be an easier way 🙂
    yeah, just write your comments into a clean pgn, inserting {comment} after moves you wanna comment on. the post it all between the [pgn] tags.
  9. 28 Dec '10 17:11 / 1 edit
    Didn't look that deep but:
    It looks like black was winning after the immediate 18...Be5. Black can't defend with Nf3 because of the threat of Bxh3, so the only reply is Ne2, after which the d pawn falls and the e pawn is falling.

    Oh and white can't just ignore the threat; eg after
    19. exd5 Qh2+
    20.Kf2 Bd4+
    21.Be3 Qf4+


    White isn't looking too nice.
    So basically white was too reckless and could have been severely punished but got a bit lucky and effectively punished black for his respective mistakes. 🙂
  10. 28 Dec '10 18:06
    Originally posted by kalvinator
    19. exd5 Qh2+
    20.Kf2 Bd4+
    21.Be3 Qf4+

    [fen]r1b2rk1/1p3p1p/p1n3p1/3P2N1/3b1q2/2NPB2P/PP3KP1/R2Q1R2[/fen]
    White isn't looking too nice.
    So basically white was too reckless and could have been severely punished but got a bit lucky and effectively punished black for his respective mistakes. 🙂
    Oh dear. Even with something like 19. Kf3, life does not look at all nice for White.

    Would have to swindle my way out of a bad situation 😀
  11. 28 Dec '10 18:28 / 1 edit
    Why not 20...Bxh3. Looks like a worthwile sac.

    Edit: On a second look, maybe not. But at least it draws by perpetual if nothing else.
  12. 29 Dec '10 00:53
    Originally posted by Goshen
    Why not 20...Bxh3. Looks like a worthwile sac.

    Edit: On a second look, maybe not. But at least it draws by perpetual if nothing else.
    yes it does draw by perpetual, but who plays chess to draw??? It was a real mistake on my part driving the King into the corner for it broke the absolute pin on g2 ! 🙂
  13. 29 Dec '10 05:25 / 3 edits
  14. 29 Dec '10 07:54
    I would like to thank Robbie for his excellent analysis. I was not aware that he was familiar with the f4 Polar Bear system and if I were forewarned, I would have used a normal c3 stonewall setup. I try to avoid the lennigrad dutch with reverse colours as it leads to very tense play, but not sharp lines.

    To everyone who reads this thread: During the game we engaged in friendly messages outlining various move options and it was interesting to see the list shrink and grow as the game went on.

    If we play again I would definitely have some very different ideas.
  15. 08 Jan '11 23:10
    Still love the bird and thanks for the complement tmetzler. Currently experimenting with the KIA at the mo.

    If you are looking for a decent book to help you develop in the Bird I still recommend Tim Taylor's book.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Birds-Opening-Detailed-Coverage-Underrated/dp/1857444027/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294528151&sr=8-1