Originally posted by SicilianNajdorfYou dont have a brain do you? Gk and RHP are two different websites they have different polices and different ways of dealing with those policies. You have no right to say that Ironman should have his account terminated on Gk or any other site just because one of them says that he was cheating what if that website was wrong? Now im not saying RHP was wrong in terminating his account because they are always right.... and they always have proof..... and they always give that person a chance to defend themselves before terminating their account, but what I am saying is that if one website terminates an account doesnt mean that all the others should do the same.
On RHP , I have not done anything bad .
On RHP , Ironman has violated the rules and has been axed.
On gameknot , I vilated the rules and have been axed.
On gameknot , cyrano has violated the rules and gameknot webmaster must be told.
Originally posted by SicilianNajdorfHow has Cyrano broken the rules on Gk? Also, why do any of you care whether or not Gk will do anything about Ironman31/Cyrano I thought most of you didnt like the site so why do you suddenly care? Alittle odd no? or is it the fact that this little witch hunt has gotten way out of hand that you want everyone caught cheating to be banned from all chess sites? Im getting tired of the Ironman threads and I feel Russ should terminate all threads involving Ironman including this one.
Cyrano's GK account must immediately be terminated regardless of any circumstances that happen .
I think the answer is that chessplayers, in general, despise cheaters because they work so hard to get wherever they are in ratings and cheaters take it for free. You think Ironman or Cyrano or whoever he is was cheating on RHP and is honest on GK? I personally don't like GK, but it's because of their forum policies, not the actual chess playing system. The least they could do to maintain the integrity of the site, is check into it. I'm sure (tho not certain) they have some kind of policing in place to examine games. If they just don't care who uses engines or doesn't, I'll guarantee players will start dropping out in droves and moving to sites that keep an eye on things. That's why all the top sites, including blitz have programs to check engine users, because it means money and customers. If beyond these selfish interests, ethics enters into it, so much the better.
This is the pgn of one of my games on playchess.com
Please analyse with engines and tell me the % of my engines moves.
Well !! all my moves ( -1) are the first or the second of shredder 9 and Fritz8 !!
See the game's time !! 3 minutes.
m'I a cheater ?
[Event "Partita con Elo, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Sala da gioco principale"]
[Date "2005.09.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Temujin"]
[Black "Protagoras1"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A02"]
[WhiteElo "2191"]
[BlackElo "2116"]
[PlyCount "53"]
[TimeControl "180"]
1. f4 {[%emt 0:00:02]} e5 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 2. fxe5 {[%emt 0:00:02]} d6 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 3. exd6 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bxd6 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 4. Nf3 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} g5 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 5. g3 {[%emt 0:00:01]} g4 {[%emt 0:00:03]}
6. Nh4 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Be7 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 7. Ng2 {[%emt 0:00:02]} h5 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 8. d4 {[%emt 0:00:02]} h4 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 9. Bf4 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} h3 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 10. Ne3 {[%emt 0:00:02]} b6 {[%emt 0:00:11]
} 11. Qd3 {[%emt 0:00:02]} Bb7 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 12. Rg1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Nf6 {
[%emt 0:00:05]} 13. Nf5 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Qd5 {[%emt 0:00:17]} (13... Be4 14.
Qb5+ c6 15. Qe5) 14. Nxe7 {[%emt 0:00:05]} Kxe7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 15. Nc3 {
[%emt 0:00:06]} Qa5 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 16. O-O-O {[%emt 0:00:10]} Nbd7 {
[%emt 0:00:03]} 17. e4 {[%emt 0:00:09]} Rae8 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 18. Bxc7 {
[%emt 0:00:08]} Rc8 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 19. Bf4 {[%emt 0:00:11]} Rhd8 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} 20. e5 {[%emt 0:00:02]} Nd5 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 21. Bg5+ {
[%emt 0:00:03]} Ke8 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 22. Nxd5 {[%emt 0:00:16]} Bxd5 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 23. a3 {[%emt 0:00:07]} Bf3 {[%emt 0:00:20]} 24. Be2 {
[%emt 0:00:08]} Nxe5 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 25. Qe3 {[%emt 0:00:05]} Qa4 {
[%emt 0:00:26]} 26. Qxe5+ {[%emt 0:00:03]} Kd7 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 27. Bb5+ {
Protagoras1 poddaje siê (Lag: Av=0.30s, max=0.7s) [%emt 0:00:06]} 1-0
For all cheating police......explain me how its possible or is your mod wrong?
Originally posted by El Brutoi guess this is an indication that this game was a tactical game - from the opening , and never had a period of "trench warfare".
This is the pgn of one of my games on playchess.com
Please analyse with engines and tell me the % of my engines moves.
Well !! all my moves ( -1) are the first or the second of shredder 9 and Fritz8 !!
See the game's time !! 3 minutes.
m'I a cheater ?
[Event "Partita con Elo, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Sala da gioco principale"]
[Date "2005.09.18 0:00:06]} 1-0
For all cheating police......explain me how its possible or is your mod wrong?
there was no need for quiet strategic repositioning.
also ... the early resiganation meant that the computer was given little opportunity to find a "mate in 34" that you would presumably never find.
Originally posted by El Brutowith this question it like wide woman asking you if they are fat...
This is the pgn of one of my games on playchess.com
Please analyse with engines and tell me the % of my engines moves.
Well !! all my moves ( -1) are the first or the second of shredder 9 and Fritz8 !!
See the game's time !! 3 minutes.
m'I a cheater ?
[Event "Partita con Elo, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Sala da gioco principale"]
[Date "2005.09.18 ...[text shortened]... 0:00:06]} 1-0
For all cheating police......explain me how its possible or is your mod wrong?
if you ask "Am i fat you probably are..." figure out the rest...
Originally posted by El BrutoThe mods don't claim that raw engine matchup is conclusive of cheating. They never have. The Game Mods have spent many hours verifying their results and conclusions. The last thing they want to do is make a mistake.
This is the pgn of one of my games on playchess.com
Please analyse with engines and tell me the % of my engines moves.
Well !! all my moves ( -1) are the first or the second of shredder 9 and Fritz8 !!
See the game's time !! 3 minutes.
m'I a cheater ?
[Event "Partita con Elo, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Sala da gioco principale"]
[Date "2005.09.18 ...[text shortened]... 0:00:06]} 1-0
For all cheating police......explain me how its possible or is your mod wrong?
Face it, Ironman was cheating and he got caught.
Here's your game with my analysis, every variation given is a move where Fritz8 disagrees with the move chosen by white (I assume that you were playing white, the matchup is even less for black who plays awfully) at a depth of 14 ply.
1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 g5 5. g3 g4 6. Nh4 Be7 7. Ng2 h5 8. d4 h4 9. Bf4 h3 10. Ne3 (all book moves to here) b6 11. Qd3 (11. c4) 11... Bb7 12. Rg1 (12. d5) 12... Nf6 13. Nf5 (13. Nc3) 13... Qd5 14. Nxe7 Kxe7 15. Nc3 Qa5 16. O-O-O Nbd7 17. e4 Rae8 18. Bxc7 (18. Bd2) 18... Rc8 19. Bf4 (19. d5) 19... Rhd8 20. e5 Nd5 21. Bg5+ Ke8 22. Nxd5 (22. e6) 22... Bxd5 23. a3 (23. Bxd8) 23... Bf3 24. Be2 Nxe5 25. Qe3 Qa4 26. Qxe5+ Kd7 27. Bb5+ 1-0
So out of 17 non-book moves white plays the same as Fritz suggests 10 times, in a highly tactical game with many 'only' moves.
Hardly the exact match you were talking about.
