Originally posted by Meadowsi would play quite generally, in that we have two approaches, classical (pawns in the centre), hypermodern (pieces controlling the centre, initially) what does c3 do? Controls d4, well ok, but it develops nothing and blocks the queens knight from its most natural square. Thus it is always advantageous if we are playing classically to attempt two pawns in the centre, and its not always easy as black and here our opponent is giving us the centre for free 1..d5 thank-you very much and we can follow up with 2...c5 unimpeded, what more could we ask for? Or if we are playing hyper modern, something very general, perhaps Nf6, e6 and fianchetto the queens bishop.
Right, so you're playing an OTB game as black and the rotter opens with something silly like 1. c3. What do you do? As an example, you could play 1. ... c5 and hope to force white into a c3 Sicilian, or you could play 1. ... d5 which may be more accurate but perhaps unfamiliar territory for you. Now perhaps this specific example doesn't work if you don't ther aim transpose to something familiar or try to capitalise on their poor move order?"
Originally posted by DiophantusI could have written this- I'm on board! White rarely finds c3 useful in the King's Indian Defense, the Gruenfeld, or the Pirc or Modern, and it's hard to get away with in the Closed Sicilian.
Doesn't matter what white plays, I'll go with 1. ... g6. Plenty transpositional possibilities for white to worry about straight away and usually I can guarantee I know more about where we are going than white.
Originally posted by erikidoYeah, I think "capitalise" was a poor choice on my part. As soon as the thread was made I figured it probably should have been transposition v refutation.
transpose or capitalize? I don't quite get the terminology. Aren't you always trying to capitalize on what your opponent plays? Don't you just transpose to something when you think it is beneficial to you (or your opponent doesn't understand the resultant positions as well as you do)
In the 1. c3 example (without being a "true" pirc/modern or grunfeld ...[text shortened]... and encouraging d4 with g6 to come and grunfeld like pressure on the long diagonal/center
Originally posted by National Master Dale1. b4 g6. I still get positions I am familiar with and my opponent gets to scratch his head and wonder what I am smoking. This appraoch, 1. ... g6 against everything, actually works for some strange reason.
The option of transposing is dependent on whether your opponent allows it.
Most folks will play one unusual move but then proceed to try to transpose so they are kinda fake unorthodox players.
Transposing will generally be impossible against truly unorthodox players.
Truly unorthodox players are ultra rare though.
Most unorthodox pla ...[text shortened]... tion.
These are just observations.I have no conclusion or statement or recommendation though.
Originally posted by DiophantusInternational master Alexander Bangiev has built a repertoire for black with the moves 1...g6 2...Bg7 3...c5 against everything white has with the exception of 1.b3 or 1.b4 because white can play 2.Bb2 after 1...g6 and blacks kingside is at very least weakened and untidy.
1. b4 g6. I still get positions I am familiar with and my opponent gets to scratch his head and wonder what I am smoking. This appraoch, 1. ... g6 against everything, actually works for some strange reason.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie1. b4 g6 2. Bb2 Nf6 works for me. I have a game currently on another site where I am managing to hold someone rated 600 points higher than me despite being daft enough to play g6 in response to 1. b4. Nigel Davies used g6 as his only black defence when seeking GM norms, Petrosian used it when he wanted to win as black. I use it because I am lazy!
International master Alexander Bangiev has built a repertoire for black with the moves 1...g6 2...Bg7 3...c5 against everything white has with the exception of 1.b3 or 1.b4 because white can play 2.Bb2 after 1...g6 and blacks kingside is at very least weakened and untidy.