Originally posted by Forest9In OTB tournaments you can claim a draw if your opponent is making no effort to win the game by normal means (eg. doing just enough to avoid 3 move repetition and instead banking on the fact you can't make 50 moves before your time runs out). Online is a different matter. Especially online blitz.
It's not unsportsmanlike to win on time, whatever the chess format. Your opponent spent more time and still got into a worse position. Tough. Both players knew the time allowance at the start of the game and time is a factor throughout. How much better would your position have been (as the player with more time) if you'd spent longer on your moves?
S/he should resign- now that would sportsmanlike.
I think it would've been more sportsmanlike to give your opponent the draw at the end. But it's really up to you, and is your choice. You won the game, fair and square, but I don't consider it a very fufilling win. I'd feel much better about the game afterword if I'd have given him a draw. However, it's absolutely your decision, and I don't criticize you for it. Whatever makes you happier.
Actually, I just checked the game again. I didn't start making pointless moves until VERY close to the end. My opponent only had 17 second left. I had a bishop and 2 pawns vs. 4 pawns. Considering the fact that I had a material advantage AND a time advantage with only 17 seconds left, I think I deserved the win. Besides that, if he hadn't offered a draw over and over again, which is very annoying, I might have been more likely to accept.
Originally posted by rbmorrisThe guy was a loser, and you should have scorned him. What is the point in a 20 min game if you can't win on time? You used your clock better.
Actually, I just checked the game again. I didn't start making pointless moves until VERY close to the end. My opponent only had 17 second left. I had a bishop and 2 pawns vs. 4 pawns. Considering the fact that I had a material advantage AND a time advantage with only 17 seconds left, I think I deserved the win. Besides that, if he hadn't offered a draw over and over again, which is very annoying, I might have been more likely to accept.
Good win.
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Sportsmanship has nothing to do with winning on time. Many times in blitz I have had the vastly superior position, but just couldn't checkmate my opponent on time, so I lost. I was mad, but not at my opponent, who just used one of the elements of competititive chess. As in all sports, soccer, American football, basketball, etc., time management is part of the game. As for the name-calling, that definitely is bad sportsmanship and can be reported as harassment in all sites, including ICC. Finally, you can turn off comments on ICC while playing a game, which i did,then you don't have to worry about annoying comments.
I think there's a reason why the 3-repetition and 50-move rules have been created. there's also reason for the clock. time-management is part of real-time chess just as well as tactics and strategy.
if you achieve a winning position, but lose on time, you sure won't get a draw for it. why on earth should you get a draw for losing on time in a hopeless position?
Originally posted by rbmorrisI haven't looked at the final position (can you post a FEN?) but if you had a Bishop and two pawns v. 4 pawns, I think you should have tried to play to win by normal moves. I think it is a little unsporting to play to time the other guy out (esp. on the internet; no cash is involved); you should make what you think are your best moves and if he times out then it's on him.
Actually, I just checked the game again. I didn't start making pointless moves until VERY close to the end. My opponent only had 17 second left. I had a bishop and 2 pawns vs. 4 pawns. Considering the fact that I had a material advantage AND a time advantage with only 17 seconds left, I think I deserved the win. Besides that, if he hadn't offered a draw over and over again, which is very annoying, I might have been more likely to accept.
The great thing about ICC, is their "no-play and censor" controls. Unlike any other site i know, at least if you dont like the person, you can opt to never talk to or play them again.
There are also admin and the "help-rude" command you can use if a player gets crude.
Agreeing to a draw, if it truly is a draw position, is just good sportsmanship and "karma" This seems to only be practiced about 1-2% of the time. ;(
I know i will look to flag anyone when i play 3-5 or even 1 min games. This should be a given, because it is a quick game. In a slower time control game, i would think it would be harder to do, and seems to be a more "real" chess game then blitz and bullet, and if the position is a draw, then by all means accept a draw, and play another game..🙂
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemThat's a cool idea.
Here's a bit of fun. If your opponent is so badly lost that he decides to hate-wait, use the 'moretime 60' command right before his time runs to 0. It will prevent him from escaping from the game by flagging himself, and he will get that much more time to ponder his lost position. Plus, he can't play any other games on the server until he finally owns up and resigns. You'd be surprised how well this kills hate-waiting.
The guy was a knuckle head. Rules are rules. You all agree to them before you start the game. I would say that next time if they think that playing on is a waste of time because they think they have the winning position tell them they can resign and move on if it there preference. In a short game I will play it out if I think I can avoid being mated in the time it will take them.
Screw them. If they cant take the pressure of time in a chess game they should probobly take up checkers or somethin.
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When Im playing personal friends on the internet, and it comes to a draw position, when/if they offer me a draw or vise-versa, we accept, except in some cases where we only have a couple sec left, we like to see who can move the fastest and play it out. However if Im playing a random opponett, I try to win any way possable. thats the object of the game, --To Win
Originally posted by SchumiExcuse me??? Don't think so. What OTB tournaments are you talking about?
If you did that in an OTB tournament, it'd be declared a draw because you weren't trying to win by normal means. Does that make it unsportsmanlike? I don't know, I'd be a little annoyed if I was in your opponent's place though?
Originally posted by DrumboNo - he's right. in a drawn position if the arbiter feels one player is trying to win only on time he can adjudicate the game a draw.
Excuse me??? Don't think so. What OTB tournaments are you talking about?
If you're ahead on material I'm not sure but I don't think the same applies.
Originally posted by XanthosNZX: When did this rule come into being? Granted, it's been mumble-mumble years since I last took part in an OTB tournament, but if your opponent manages to get in enough moves (while you're wasting time) to get to the next 40-move time allottance, the issue becomes mute, as your opponent then has enough time to get a draw by normal means.
In OTB tournaments you can claim a draw if your opponent is making no effort to win the game by normal means (eg. doing just enough to avoid 3 move repetition and instead banking on the fact you can't make 50 moves before your time runs out). Online is a different matter. Especially online blitz.
I always thought time management was part of the game. If you come up short in a drawn position and lose, tough toenails.