Using chess computers as a way to guage chess skill
01 Sep '12 22:40Is it really a bad idea to see if you're improving by playing against chess computers? For instance, if you tie an 8-game match with Deep Fritz 8, is it fair to say that you play like a grandmaster?
01 Sep '12 22:50Originally posted by hamworldI think nowadays commercial chess engines are at least super grandmaster standard. So, if I could beat Fritz, I'd be on the phone to Anand.
Is it really a bad idea to see if you're improving by playing against chess computers? For instance, if you tie an 8-game match with Deep Fritz 8, is it fair to say that you play like a grandmaster?
02 Sep '12 01:00Originally posted by hamworldNot sure what I was saying in my first post, other than computers are better than humans now at chess.
Are you saying there's no reliable way to tell except by playing human competition?
02 Sep '12 10:44Originally posted by hamworldIt is against the rule to use a chess computer during a game in progress on RHP. This has been drummed into my head, so I can not forget, by people paranoid about other people using computers against them to find the best move. So don't do it! 😏
Is it really a bad idea to see if you're improving by playing against chess computers? For instance, if you tie an 8-game match with Deep Fritz 8, is it fair to say that you play like a grandmaster?
02 Sep '12 10:54Originally posted by hedonistGood point. It is harder for me to win material than it is to lose material.
Not sure what I was saying in my first post, other than computers are better than humans now at chess.
The thing about playing computers is that you get good at defensive tactics(you look after your pieces), but will come to overlook errors in human play. So you play a human and automatically think any move he makes is tactically sound. Most players und ...[text shortened]... game.
So no is the answer to the original post. Humans and computers play chess differently.
02 Sep '12 18:18Originally posted by hamworldThat's how I trained after I first learned chess. I worked my way up through the computer's 'handicap' levels. Once I started winning too many games, I'd bump up the level a bit more.
Is it really a bad idea to see if you're improving by playing against chess computers? For instance, if you tie an 8-game match with Deep Fritz 8, is it fair to say that you play like a grandmaster?
02 Sep '12 20:442 editsOriginally posted by SwissGambit
That's how I trained after I first learned chess. I worked my way up through the computer's 'handicap' levels. Once I started winning too many games, I'd bump up the level a bit more.
How far did this get you? Not criticizing, just trying to get some anecdotes.
I mean, all I know at this point is that I have a hard time beating better players being able to handle myself against one of them should make it easier to handle the other one.
03 Sep '12 03:25Originally posted by hamworldI found playing the 'characters' in Chessmaster 9000 did my game a lot of good. Chessmaster isn't the strongest engine but i found the different playing styles of the fictional characters very useful when i was first learning the game. The only problem with playing an engine on a lower setting is that the engine has no real way of making the mistakes realistic. It'd spank me all over the board and then allow a knight fork, stuff like that. That said, i still had to spot the mistakes. In fact, it probably helped me to develop a healthy approach to playing stronger players, who still make mistakes even when they're winning. I don't think there is any substitute for human practise though, if you play fritz on full strength i don't think you'll come away with very much, it'll just undermine your confidence in your tactical ability...
How far did this get you? Not criticizing, just trying to get some anecdotes.
I mean, all I know at this point is that I have a hard time beating better players being able to handle myself against one of them should make it easier to handle the other one.
03 Sep '12 05:13Originally posted by MarinkatombYeah, I guess you're right.
I found playing the 'characters' in Chessmaster 9000 did my game a lot of good. Chessmaster isn't the strongest engine but i found the different playing styles of the fictional characters very useful when i was first learning the game. The only problem with playing an engine on a lower setting is that the engine has no real way of making the mistakes rea ...[text shortened]... e away with very much, it'll just undermine your confidence in your tactical ability...
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