02 Nov 05
Originally posted by greenphantomChess has a vast amount of theory behind it; you can't play well without learning some theory. Books and databases are commonly used by many experienced players. If you don't use them, you're only making things 'unfair' for yourself.
i think anything that assists a player is unfair i realize it goes on but surely its more rewarding to use your own brain and if you lose learn from your mistakes
02 Nov 05
Originally posted by greenphantomI think you might want to check some books out or some databases while you study your lost games at least to see when and where you deviated from normal play...
i think anything that assists a player is unfair i realize it goes on but surely its more rewarding to use your own brain and if you lose learn from your mistakes
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02 Nov 05
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Originally posted by GrandmousterWhy would they bother? Databases and books are allowed, and in the opening these are probably better than computer analysis anyway.
Cant prove it, but i think some players use software in the opening, to get a good position, or use it when it looks complicated.
What do you think?
And openings that aren't covered in books or databases don't need help to beat. To quote Reuben Fine:
"There are many players who feel that they can beat a "bookish" opponent by adopting some bizarre opening never before seen on land or sea. On occasion they are successful, chiefly because the flustered "bookworm" feels that anything unorthodox should be defeated in at most ten moves.
The reason why such upsets occur is not that the books are wrong, but that they must confine themselves to the refutation of plausible peplies. For really bad moves can always be refuted by general principles."
02 Nov 05
One of my current games we intentionally went way out of book. Not only did he really anti-sicilian me by pushing his pawn, but I searched the BigDatabase2004 for that set of moves, found 9 games, and then intentionally played a move that was not in those 9.
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03 Nov 05
Originally posted by tippedkingBigDatabase2004 must really suck because I have 1. e4 c5 2. e5 played 10 times between titled players in the last 5 years.
One of my current games we intentionally went way out of book. Not only did he really anti-sicilian me by pushing his pawn, but I searched the BigDatabase2004 for that set of moves, found 9 games, and then intentionally played a move that was not in those 9.
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03 Nov 05
The trouble with databases is that they are derived mostly from grandmasters. I have often suggested someone create a database from really sucky players. That way you can get sucky moves played against a particular sucky line which wouldn't ordinarily be played in the upper echelons of chess.
03 Nov 05
Originally posted by buddy2I have such a database of more than 20,000 games. It sucks.
The trouble with databases is that they are derived mostly from grandmasters. I have often suggested someone create a database from really sucky players. That way you can get sucky moves played against a particular sucky line which wouldn't ordinarily be played in the upper echelons of chess.