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  1. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    17 Mar '07 17:41
    I wanted to start a thread devoted to showing some more beginner players how valuable the weak f2 and f7 squares can be in games. If you have any games in which an attack on the f2/f7 squares led to a huge advantage/win, please post them.

    Note: Don't post too many Scholar's Mates...I think it is well enough known...I'm looking for attacks in the middle game.
  2. 17 Mar '07 17:50
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    I wanted to start a thread devoted to showing some more beginner players how valuable the weak f2 and f7 squares can be in games. If you have any games in which an attack on the f2/f7 squares led to a huge advantage/win, please post them.

    Note: Don't post too many Scholar's Mates...I think it is well enough known...I'm looking for attacks in the middle game.
    just find any KGA
    and you're sure to see some major rapeage on f7
  3. Standard member Spacetime
    Not material
    17 Mar '07 18:55 / 1 edit
    Here's the most famous classic game for that theme, by the greatest player of his time, Paul Morphy...(threats on f7 drive his attack).

    Every chess player should study this game.

    [Event "Paris it"]
    [Site "Paris"]
    [Date "1858.??.??"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Morphy, Paul"]
    [Black "Isouard, Carl"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "C41"]
    [PlyCount "33"]
    [EventDate "1858.??.??"]
    [EventType "tourn"]
    [EventRounds "30"]
    [EventCountry "FRA"]
    [Source "ChessBase"]
    [SourceDate "1998.11.10"]

    1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Bg4 4. dxe5 Bxf3 5. Qxf3 dxe5 6. Bc4 Nf6 7. Qb3 Qe7 8.
    Nc3 c6 9. Bg5 b5 10. Nxb5 cxb5 11. Bxb5+ Nbd7 12. O-O-O Rd8 13. Rxd7 Rxd7 14.
    Rd1 Qe6 15. Bxd7+ Nxd7 16. Qb8+ Nxb8 17. Rd8# 1-0



  4. 17 Mar '07 19:16
    Originally posted by Spacetime
    Here's the most famous classic game for that theme, by the greatest player of his time, Paul Morphy...(threats on f7 drive his attack).

    Every chess player should study this game.

    [Event "Paris it"]
    [Site "Paris"]
    [Date "1858.??.??"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Morphy, Paul"]
    [Black "Isouard, Carl"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "C41"]
    [PlyCount "33"]
    [EventDa ...[text shortened]...
    [fen]1n1Rkb1r/p4ppp/4q3/4p1B1/4P3/8/PPP2PPP/2K5 b k - 0 17[/fen]
    only worth studying for the theme...
    no one plays 2. ... d6 anymore...
    i hate it anyway...
    black gets cramped...
    yuck...
    hate that opening (unless i'm white)
  5. 17 Mar '07 19:22
    if black defends properly there isn't much attack on the f7 square in the middle game per say although the bihsop in the ruy lopez does put pressure on it. its just that if someone does not protect their f7 of f2 square in the game it will usually cause them to get hammerd.
  6. 17 Mar '07 19:30 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    I wanted to start a thread devoted to showing some more beginner players how valuable the weak f2 and f7 squares can be in games. If you have any games in which an attack on the f2/f7 squares led to a huge advantage/win, please post them.

    Note: Don't post too many Scholar's Mates...I think it is well enough known...I'm looking for attacks in the middle game.
    King's Gambit, indeed:

    Game 2233163
    Game 2668635
  7. Standard member Spacetime
    Not material
    17 Mar '07 19:45
    Originally posted by rubberjaw30
    only worth studying for the theme...
    no one plays 2. ... d6 anymore...
    i hate it anyway...
    black gets cramped...
    yuck...
    hate that opening (unless i'm white)
    Well, 2...d6 is the Philidor's and people do still play it (although I agree it does give black a cramped game). I think the mistake was 3...Bg4? (white gets a strong attack against f7 ).

    After 4.dxe5 black is forced to play Bxf3 or else white exchanges queens and breaks the pin with tempo, then snatches up the e5 pawn and is winning. So black must exchange allowing white's queen to f3 where it can coordinate with the King bishop onto the f7 point.
  8. 18 Mar '07 00:35
    Originally posted by cmsMaster
    King's Gambit, indeed:

    Game 2233163
    Game 2668635
    nice...
    i liked the first one best...
    really pounded the balls off of f7
  9. Standard member Ragnorak
    For RHP addons...
    18 Mar '07 01:12
    Originally posted by rubberjaw30
    only worth studying for the theme...
    no one plays 2. ... d6 anymore...
    i hate it anyway...
    black gets cramped...
    yuck...
    hate that opening (unless i'm white)
    Why do you write so conclusively about stuff you know next to nothing about?

    From my first 400odd games on here, the chance to play Philidors Defence appeared 75 times, and 2...d6 was played 30 times. Admittedly, the majority of times, it was I that played it, but even so, you can't categorically state that "no one plays 2...d6 anymore".

    The week after I had gone through the game posted above, I played this game...Game 810620. My opponent was rated in the 1600s at the time. It also suits the theme of this thread, I guess.

    D
  10. Standard member Ragnorak
    For RHP addons...
    18 Mar '07 01:17
    Originally posted by Spacetime
    Well, 2...d6 is the Philidor's and people do still play it (although I agree it does give black a cramped game). I think the mistake was 3...Bg4? (white gets a strong attack against f7 ).

    After 4.dxe5 black is forced to play Bxf3 or else white exchanges queens and breaks the pin with tempo, then snatches up the e5 pawn and is winning. So black must ex ...[text shortened]... e allowing white's queen to f3 where it can coordinate with the King bishop onto the f7 point.
    3...Bg4 is playable. The mistake was Bxf3.

    After 4. dxe5, Nc6 and Nd7 have been played, saccing the pawn for development.


    D
  11. 18 Mar '07 01:51
    Originally posted by Ragnorak
    Why do you write so conclusively about stuff you know next to nothing about?

    From my first 400odd games on here, the chance to play Philidors Defence appeared 75 times, and 2...d6 was played 30 times. Admittedly, the majority of times, it was I that played it, but even so, you can't categorically state that "no one plays 2...d6 anymore".

    The week aft ...[text shortened]... nt was rated in the 1600s at the time. It also suits the theme of this thread, I guess.

    D
    no one plays it OTB anymore because it leads to such cramping positions...
    Philidor was at a crack-induced time in his life when he was promoting 2. ... d6
    the f8 bishop becomes weak, and d5 too...
  12. 18 Mar '07 10:26
    The opening of this game played by me is similar to the opening of Morphy's game. Game 3171375
    There is a mate on f7.
  13. 18 Mar '07 10:52
    [Event "25min/game"]
    [Site "yahoo! games"]
    [Date "2006.12.12"]
    [Round ""]
    [White "tiggeronvrb"]
    [Black "x"]
    [TimeControl "-"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "B10"]

    1.Nf3 c6 2.e4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.h4 h6 7.Ne5 Bh7 8.Qh5 g6 9.Bc4 gxh5 10.Bxf7# 1-0
  14. 18 Mar '07 11:57
    A nice miniature in the Halloween Attack, I don't know if it is really played but that seems likely.

    1 e4 e5
    2 Nf3 Nc6
    3 Nc3 Nf6
    4 Nxe5 Nxe5
    5 d4 Nc6
    6 d5 Nb8
    7 e5 Ng8
    8 d6 c6
    9 Bc4 f6
    10 Qh5+ g6
    11 exf6 gxh5
    12 f7#
  15. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    18 Mar '07 13:22
    The first two of these are from Benonis, and I'm not sure that they count as attacks on f7 - more sort smashing through the centre, although f7 played it's part in both. My opponent in the last one is a total beginner and well...

    Game 2187302
    Game 2966759
    Game 3227767