What did Colle call the...Colle...when he played it?

I know the old books all say "Queen Pawn Game" (at least in the books I've read, all written in English), but I'm sure they must have been more descriptive back then.

Anyone know anything? I'm hoping some of your European friends, especially those for whom English is not their first language, will have something to add here. Thanks ahead of time!

What did Grunfeld call the Grunfeld?

Originally posted by plopzilla
What did Grunfeld call the Grunfeld?

I would imagine Meister (or Grossmeister?) Gruenfeld called the Gruenfeld the Gruenfeld. Because that's its name, like.

Originally posted by Paul Leggett
I know the old books all say "Queen Pawn Game" (at least in the books I've read, all written in English), but I'm sure they must have been more descriptive back then.

Anyone know anything? I'm hoping some of your European friends, especially those for whom English is not their first language, will have something to add here. Thanks ahead of time!

I had a look, but it seems to be all plain old "Queen's Pawn Game" (aka Damenbauernspiel). They weren't so into the detailed classification in those days. Dr. Tarrasch called Black's ...c5 line against the Colle "Damengambit im Nachzuge" i.e. Queen's Gambit Declined with colours reversed. Which is just what it is.

Originally posted by pdunne
I had a look, but it seems to be all plain old "Queen's Pawn Game" (aka Damenbauernspiel). They weren't so into the detailed classification in those days. Dr. Tarrasch called Black's ...c5 line against the Colle "Damengambit im Nachzuge" i.e. Queen's Gambit Declined with colours reversed. Which is just what it is.

Damengambit im Nachzuge sounds like an arrangement of classical music!

Up until the early 20th century, it seems that openings were named geographical, based on either the country where is was first recognized as being played, or named for the tournament where it first appeared.

I suspect it was Tartakower who got the ball rolling with his "Catalan" and "Orangutan" appellations.

Originally posted by plopzilla
What did Grunfeld call the Grunfeld?

Well, Grunfeld prepared that opening specifically for a certain opponent if I remember correctly... can't seem to remember against whom though.

....It was Colle.

Originally posted by Paul Leggett
I know the old books all say "Queen Pawn Game" (at least in the books I've read, all written in English), but I'm sure they must have been more descriptive back then.

Anyone know anything? I'm hoping some of your European friends, especially those for whom English is not their first language, will have something to add here. Thanks ahead of time!

I bet his opponents called it, "Christ Ed, not this crap again!"

Originally posted by Paul Leggett
... but I'm sure they must have been more descriptive back then.

Anyone know anything?

one of the 'damengambit im nachzuge' is called nowadays 'Habichd', 1. d2-d4 Sg8-f6 2. Sg1-f3 c7-c5 3. d4-d5 c5-c4!? .



It was "invented" in 1986 by a German, and is short for 'got you', something like 'gotcha!'. It refers to the white pawn on d5, which is now cut-off from his pawn friends on c and e file... (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habichd)

This article also says, it gives a big plus for white, thats why grandmaster never play it. but what do gms now...

ps: in english is called 'hawk', close to the word that sounds almost like 'Habichd': Habicht is a hawk... or something like it.

wouldnt he call it "My System" ?

Originally posted by tharkesh
[b]one of the 'damengambit im nachzuge' is called nowadays 'Habichd', 1. d2-d4 Sg8-f6 2. Sg1-f3 c7-c5 3. d4-d5 c5-c4!? .

That's an Indian (or Indisch); not Queen's Gambit reversed.

Originally posted by Paul Leggett
Damengambit im Nachzuge sounds like an arrangement of classical music!

There are surprisingly many connections between music, mathematics, programming, and yes, chess.

Richard