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  1. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    16 Jan '08 22:43
    At what level are chess players considered strong between common non-chess people? I mean, in real world..? I think 7 or 8 people out of 10 knows how to play chess (excluding "en passant" of course )

    So would it be, 1100, 1200, 1500..?

    what do you think? When you ask someone if he knows how to play chess and he says "yes" usually it means about 1000 ?!
  2. Standard member chessisvanity
    THE BISHOP GOD
    16 Jan '08 22:56
    1400 can beat all people who say "they are good"....

    i'm 1400 and have crushed every man and woman who said they were "good" at chess...

    strong players never say they are good....

    and by judging the moves played...i'd say average people who know how to play and always say they are good are roughly 1100.
  3. 16 Jan '08 23:27
    To people who don't play chess, you don't have to be that good to impress them. A few years ago ( when I was about 400 points worse than I am now) a kid challenged me to a game in study hall that thought he could beat me. I checkmated him in 9 moves
  4. Standard member HomerJSimpson
    Renouned Grob Killer
    16 Jan '08 23:55
    Originally posted by chessisvanity
    1400 can beat all people who say "they are good"....

    i'm 1400 and have crushed every man and woman who said they were "good" at chess...

    strong players never say they are good....

    and by judging the moves played...i'd say average people who know how to play and always say they are good are roughly 1100.
    Im good. Now crush me
  5. 17 Jan '08 00:03
    I don't know exactly. 1200-1300 would be a good estimate, but I have never read any chess books in my life or even studied chess all that much (except for that Josh Waitzkin Chessmaster Academy on CM10 which I went over twice)
    I would probably rated around 1600-1700 after my rating really gets going though.
  6. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    17 Jan '08 00:30 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    At what level are chess players considered strong between common non-chess people? I mean, in real world..? I think 7 or 8 people out of 10 knows how to play chess (excluding "en passant" of course )

    So would it be, 1100, 1200, 1500..?

    what do you think? When you ask someone if he knows how to play chess and he says "yes" usually it means about 1000 ?!
    1200 would beat them... the people that say theyre "good" are between 700 and 800...

    -j
  7. 17 Jan '08 00:38
    Among club/tournament people who take the game seriously, an "A" player rated 1800+ is considered a strong, solid player. Among casual players who say they play chess but really mean they just know how the pieces move, a 1400 player could squash them all and claim to be a master.
  8. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    17 Jan '08 00:41 / 1 edit
    0-1100 I can beat anyone!
    1100-1200 very good
    1200-1300 good
    1300-1400 intermediate (I'm really a 1600, but...)
    1400-1500 advanced (I'm really a 1700, but...)
    1500-1600 I have strong openings, tactics & reasonable endgame (I can play like 1800 on a good day, but...)
    1600-1700 strong openings, okay tactics, not that good endgame.
    1700-1800 I have a reasonable grasp on tactics, openings and engame.
    1800-1900 my tactics are okay, but a patzer considerin everything else...
    1900-2000 I have some familiarity on openings, but everything else..
    2000-2100 my basics are sort of okay, but my *lists everything* needs a LOT of work...
  9. 17 Jan '08 00:44
    Originally posted by wormwood
    0-1100 I can beat anyone!
    1100-1200 very good
    1200-1300 good
    1300-1400 intermediate (I'm really a 1600, but...)
    1400-1500 advanced (I'm really a 1700, but...)
    1500-1600 I have strong openings, tactics & reasonable endgame (I can play like 1800 on a good day, but...)
    1600-1700 strong openings, okay tactics, not that good endgame.
    1700-1800 I have a re ...[text shortened]... else..
    2000-2100 my basics are sort of okay, but my *lists everything* needs a LOT of work...
    I have proof that I can play like an 1800 on a good day!
  10. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    17 Jan '08 00:54
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    I have proof that I can play like an 1800 on a good day!
    ...all 1500's can...
  11. 17 Jan '08 01:00
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    I have proof that I can play like an 1800 on a good day!
    I beat a 2200 before. Not on this site though.
  12. 17 Jan '08 01:51
    Originally posted by wormwood
    0-1100 I can beat anyone!
    1100-1200 very good
    1200-1300 good
    1300-1400 intermediate (I'm really a 1600, but...)
    1400-1500 advanced (I'm really a 1700, but...)
    1500-1600 I have strong openings, tactics & reasonable endgame (I can play like 1800 on a good day, but...)
    1600-1700 strong openings, okay tactics, not that good endgame.
    1700-1800 I have a re ...[text shortened]... else..
    2000-2100 my basics are sort of okay, but my *lists everything* needs a LOT of work...
    Ha ha, very nice! I have always considered myself a patzer who doesn't have a clue, though...
  13. 17 Jan '08 04:38
    I would, rather conveniently say that 1800 is the level when someone can universally be considered good. I think an 1800 is probably stronger than 90% of rated players. The top 10% in any sport is considered rather good and chess is no different. Of course, below that many may be considered good too, but some may disagree. I don't think there is any debate that an 1800 is a really good chess player.
  14. 17 Jan '08 04:59 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by exigentsky
    I would, rather conveniently say that 1800 is the level when someone can universally be considered good. I think an 1800 is probably stronger than 90% of rated players. The top 10% in any sport is considered rather good and chess is no different. Of course, below that many may be considered good too, but some may disagree. I don't think there is any debate that an 1800 is a really good chess player.
    I agree. In North America that rating puts you into the Class "A" category, a stepping stone away from attaining true Expert status (2000 rating) which is a recognized title in Canada more formally called "Candidate Master". I think the percentage of A players and above is smaller than 10% though, although I don't have statistics handy I would put it closer to 5% of tournament players. Extrapolating to the unwashed masses who play no formal chess it may be as small a group as 1% of the chess playing population.
  15. 17 Jan '08 18:50
    Originally posted by scandium
    I agree. In North America that rating puts you into the Class "A" category, a stepping stone away from attaining true Expert status (2000 rating) which is a recognized title in Canada more formally called "Candidate Master". I think the percentage of A players and above is smaller than 10% though, although I don't have statistics handy I would put it close ...[text shortened]... who play no formal chess it may be as small a group as 1% of the chess playing population.
    Speaking of US chess ratings, 2000 to 2200 rated players are still memorizing book variations. i would say that a good creatative & thinking player starts above 2200.