What is this called?

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Drew

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What are these checkmates called?

Game 3626209 - Q + B

Game 4154466 - N + N + B, after Queen sacrifice

Thanks for your help,
Drew

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Originally posted by Drew L
What are these checkmates called?

Game 3626209 - Q + B

Game 4154466 - N + N + B, after Queen sacrifice

Thanks for your help,
Drew

First one is the trap every chessplayer has fallen for at least once: the Scholar's Mate.

Second one is Legal's Mate. Black can refute the combination with 6... Nxe5!

Tyrannosauruschex

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Type 1 is often called scholars mate.

Type 2 does not have a name but is a relatively well known theme against the phillidors defence when black gets the opening slightly wrong.

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Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
Type 1 is often called scholars mate.

Type 2 does not have a name but is a relatively well known theme against the phillidors defence when black gets the opening slightly wrong.

Type 2 does have name - its called Legal mate - from the following game:

[Event "Paris"]
[Site "Paris"]
[Date "1750.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "0.10"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "De Legal"]
[Black "Saint Brie"]
[ECO "C41"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "13"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bc4 Bg4 4. Nc3 g6 5. Nxe5 Bxd1 6. Bxf7+
Ke7 7. Nd5# 1-0

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Where do people learn the names of special mates from?

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Then what is fool's mate?

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Originally posted by Drew L
Then what is fool's mate?

1.f3 e5 2.g4?????????????????????? Qh4#

or

1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Ke7??????????????????????????? 3.Qxe5#

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Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
Where do people learn the names of special mates from?

http://www.chessdryad.com/education/magictheater/index.htm

Shows how to stop scholars mate in case you didn't know. 😀

http://www.chessdryad.com/education/magictheater/scholar/stop_01.htm

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05 Nov 07

Originally posted by zzyw
First one is the trap every chessplayer has fallen for at least once: the Scholar's Mate.

Second one is Legal's Mate. Black can refute the combination with 6... Nxe5!

How about 6. h3 Bh5 Then 7. Nxe5. If 7... Nxe5 then 8. Qxh5 Nxc4 9 Qb5+ and white is up a pawn.

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Originally posted by Dejection
How about 6. h3 Bh5 Then 7. Nxe5. If 7... Nxe5 then 8. Qxh5 Nxc4 9 Qb5+ and white is up a pawn.

That would work. Of course black can transpose into the Scholar's mate via 6... Bxf3 7. Qxf3 Nxd4!! 8. Qxf7#😉

An interesting variation on Legal's mate can be found in this game, where the same sacrifice is used for a winning attack. It just came to mind because in this game white needs 8.h3 Bh5 to make it work as well. And it's pretty &^%*ing beautiful, check it out.

Rozentalis - Mikenas, 1981

1. e4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. exd5 Nxd5 4. Bc4 Nb6 5. Bb3 e5 6. d3 Nc6 7. Nf3 Bg4 8.
h3 Bh5 9. Nxe5 Bxd1 10. Bxf7+ Ke7 11. Bg5+ Kd6 12. Ne4+ Kxe5 13. f4+ Kd4 14.
Rxd1 Nb4 15. c3+ Ke3 16. O-O Nxd3 17. Ng3 Qd5 18. Rfe1+ Nxe1 19. f5# 1-0

See also http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1405197 for another example of the same trap.