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    03 Nov '09 17:06
    black cân't really play the panov properly, no if he is no ready to sac a piece.

    In the Nf3 line, In the other, Ne4 gain space.
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    03 Nov '09 17:36
    Originally posted by AudreyxSophie
    black cân't really play the panov properly, no if he is no ready to sac a piece.

    In the Nf3 line, In the other, Ne4 gain space.
    Black can get equality against the Panov without sacrificing anything.



    Black slowly plays for an advantage without any reckless play.
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    03 Nov '09 18:05
    dxc4, that look way to dengerous, I prefer e6....
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    03 Nov '09 18:14
    Considering that it is a particular favourite of Dreev's (who is black in the game), I doubt it is theoretically unsound.
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    03 Nov '09 18:431 edit
    The english has only been mentioned once? You lots know nothing about chess, that is clear
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    03 Nov '09 18:453 edits
    Way better is.





    I know the good bishop get exchanged, but opening the way and letting white advance the d-pawn is really dangerous.


    Another sharp line is.





    This is one of the wildest lines in the panov. Here, black must be ready to sac his bishop, with 0-0
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    03 Nov '09 19:42
    If "way better" means scores approximately 3/4s of the points, then you're absolutely correct.

    White has significant plus scores in both the lines you give, and about an average white score in the line I give.
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    03 Nov '09 20:14
    I was talking for black, they are better with these lines, then others, taking, on c4 always allow the d-pawn to be pushed. and sometimes, it kill black. even if the d-pawn is isolate, it can be good, but after Nf3 and Bg4, black hope to scrap white structure completly.
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    03 Nov '09 20:431 edit
    Yes, I was talking about black too...

    A little research shows that black scores poorly in your lines, and well in mine.

    If you really think taking on c4 is losing for black, I recommend you look at some Grandmaster games in these lines.
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    03 Nov '09 21:001 edit
    I never saw the score, not in any lines, I could not careless about what a greatmaster, his arguement won't become better then mins, because of his title.


    Like, @@ you've never been in a prison, how can you say that? @@

    I really prefer these lines, they are solution to me.

    I can,t say I love the english, it never stop from transposing. Into any lines with c4.
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