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Joined 11 Jul '09 Moves 43994 black cân't really play the panov properly, no if he is no ready to sac a piece.
In the Nf3 line, In the other, Ne4 gain space.
Joined 07 Sep '09 Moves 413 Originally posted by AudreyxSophie
black cân't really play the panov properly, no if he is no ready to sac a piece.
In the Nf3 line, In the other, Ne4 gain space. Black can get equality against the Panov without sacrificing anything.
[Event "Dos Hermanas Internet KO"] [Site "ICC INT"] [Date "2001.04.06"] [EventDate "2001.04.06"] [Round "1.2"] [Result "0-1"] [White "Willy Hendriks"] [Black "Alexey Dreev"] [ECO "B14"] [WhiteElo "2338"] [BlackElo "2685"] [PlyCount "56"] 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bg5 dxc4 7. Bxc4 e6 8. Nf3 Be7 9. O-O O-O 10. Re1 a6 11. Qe2 b5 12. Bb3 Nxd4 13. Nxd4 Qxd4 14. Rad1 Qa7 15. Bc2 Bb7 16. Rd7 Nxd7 17. Bxe7 Rfe8 18. Qd3 Nf8 19. Bxf8 Kxf8 20. Qxh7 Qd4 21. Be4 Bxe4 22. Rxe4 Qd2 23. f4 Qc1+ 24. Kf2 Qxb2+ 25. Ne2 Qf6 26. Re5 Qh6 27. Qe4 Rac8 28. Ng3 Rc4 0-1
Black slowly plays for an advantage without any reckless play.
Joined 11 Jul '09 Moves 43994 dxc4, that look way to dengerous, I prefer e6....
Joined 07 Sep '09 Moves 413 Considering that it is a particular favourite of Dreev's (who is black in the game), I doubt it is theoretically unsound.
Joined 21 Jan '07 Moves 12359 The english has only been mentioned once? You lots know nothing about chess, that is clear
Joined 11 Jul '09 Moves 43994 Way better is.
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Nc6 5.Nc3 Nf6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Nf3 Be7 8.c5 0-0 9.Bb5 Ne4
I know the good bishop get exchanged, but opening the way and letting white advance the d-pawn is really dangerous.
Another sharp line is.
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Nc6 5.Nc3 Nf6 6.Nf3 Bg4 7.cxd5 Nxd5 8.Qb3 Bxf3 9.gxf3 Nb6 10.d5 Nd4 11.Qd1 e5 12.dxe6 fxe6 13.Be3 Bc5 14.b4
This is one of the wildest lines in the panov. Here, black must be ready to sac his bishop, with 0-0
Joined 07 Sep '09 Moves 413 If "way better" means scores approximately 3/4s of the points, then you're absolutely correct.
White has significant plus scores in both the lines you give, and about an average white score in the line I give.
Joined 11 Jul '09 Moves 43994 I was talking for black, they are better with these lines, then others, taking, on c4 always allow the d-pawn to be pushed. and sometimes, it kill black. even if the d-pawn is isolate, it can be good, but after Nf3 and Bg4, black hope to scrap white structure completly.
Joined 07 Sep '09 Moves 413 Yes, I was talking about black too...
A little research shows that black scores poorly in your lines, and well in mine.
If you really think taking on c4 is losing for black, I recommend you look at some Grandmaster games in these lines.
Joined 11 Jul '09 Moves 43994 I never saw the score, not in any lines, I could not careless about what a greatmaster, his arguement won't become better then mins, because of his title.
Like, @@ you've never been in a prison, how can you say that? @@
I really prefer these lines, they are solution to me.
I can,t say I love the english, it never stop from transposing. Into any lines with c4.
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