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  1. Joined
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    As the title suggests I'm curious to know what are possible "good" moves for White in this position.



    By the way, this is a position reached at the 13th game between Emanuel Lasker and William Steinitz in the World Chess Championship of 1894.
  2. Standard memberDeepThought
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    07 Jan '21 14:50
    At first glance Rfd1 looks like a candidate, to contest the d-file. The closest I could see to some sort of plan is a3, Rab1 or Rfb1, and b4, initiating queenside play - the first move would be a3. a3 and Rfd1 both look like candidates.
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    @DeepThought What about Bg5? Putting pressure and pinning the knight.
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    07 Jan '21 18:48
    Second getting a Rook to d1. Then another none.

    I've been studying open files lately, so any open file
    I see I want to put Rooks on it.
    😛
  5. Standard membersundown316
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    07 Jan '21 23:30
    @jon3141 Ng8 breaking the pin
  6. Zugzwang
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    08 Jan '21 03:28
    @jon3141 said
    As the title suggests I'm curious to know what are possible "good" moves for White in this position.

    [fen]2kr3r/1pp1bp1p/p1b2np1/2p5/4PB2/2N2PN1/PPP3PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 14[/fen]

    By the way, this is a position reached at the 13th game between Emanuel Lasker and William Steinitz in the World Chess Championship of 1894.
    As far as I can tell, everyone else is approaching analysis of this position backward.
    First, decide what White's general strategy would be. Then find moves to implement it.

    Obviously (to me), White aims for an endgame (ideally, a pure pawn endgame)
    where one can take advantage of the kingside pawn majority. Obviously too,
    Black aims to use the bishop pair to seek active play in the middlegame.
  7. Zugzwang
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    @sundown316 said
    @jon3141 Ng8 breaking the pin
    If Black plays Ng8, Black cedes the advantage of the bishop pair.
    Then Black has no compensation for an inferior pawn structure (likely a losing
    pawn structure in the endgame).
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    08 Jan '21 15:30
    @Duchess64 That's a good point, and I guess that's why this position troubles me. Do you play as White for exchanges? If yes, then how do you proceed without creating weaknesses?
  9. Zugzwang
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    08 Jan '21 21:46
    @jon3141 said
    @Duchess64 That's a good point, and I guess that's why this position troubles me. Do you play as White for exchanges? If yes, then how do you proceed without creating weaknesses?
    This position clearly appears to be from a Ruy Lopez (Spanish), Exchange Variation.

    Examine Lasker's famous win over Capablanca at St Petersburg in 1914.
    https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1258181&kpage=3
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    I have a different question, what would be your plan?

    Follow up question, what would be your candidate moves to put your plan into action?
  11. Zugzwang
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    10 Jan '21 00:421 edit
    @jon3141 said
    @Duchess64 That's a good point, and I guess that's why this position troubles me. Do you play as White for exchanges? If yes, then how do you proceed without creating weaknesses?
    There's no reason to think that playing to 'chop wood' must involve creating weaknesses.

    In this position, obviously, White aims for the endgame;
    Black must aim for active play in the middlegame.

    In my experience, weak players as Black play too passively
    in the middlegame and often are glad to exchange pieces
    and go into a losing endgame.
  12. Subscriberketchuplover
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    My ceiling analysis board likes a4 😉
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    @Eladar I kinda like Bg5. I don't have a specific plan. I dislike White's position, it seems there is nothing special to do.

    I guess Bg5 and after h6, White can play Be3 and centralize the rooks.
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    @ketchuplover Any particular reason why you like a4?
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    @jon3141
    Bg5 brings h6 and you are either trading your bishop for a knight or you are going to have give up the attack on the knight.
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