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  1. 14 Jul '06 01:28
    just wondering i watched my dad play fritz on 2100 and he beat him then he tried 3000 and he finally lost a pawn on the 30th move and after that it was hell. just wondering if anyone ever beat it at its highest level and if not what did u beat it at.
  2. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    14 Jul '06 01:34 / 1 edit
    Engines in limited mode are crap. It is not at all like playing a human. In fact I would go so far as to say it probably does more harm to ones game than good.

    I have once beaten Fritz at full strength but I was playing under correspondence rules (Must move every 3 days and books and databases are allowed) and it had 30 minutes a move.

    EDIT: It was a database surprise and then a long slow mistake free finish.
  3. 14 Jul '06 01:38
    how would it harm your play rather than better it? doesn't it make moves that someone rated 2000 would make when you set it to 2000?
  4. 14 Jul '06 01:41
    Originally posted by kmac27
    how would it harm your play rather than better it? doesn't it make moves that someone rated 2000 would make when you set it to 2000?
    Dude, you're not getting it. Engines don't play like humans. Engines don't get positional chess, humans do. So no, it's not like playing "someone" rated 2000, rather "something" rated 2000.
  5. 14 Jul '06 01:44
    lol so if they dont play positional they play tactical?
  6. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    14 Jul '06 01:46
    Originally posted by kmac27
    how would it harm your play rather than better it? doesn't it make moves that someone rated 2000 would make when you set it to 2000?
    Not at all. Basically engines that are throttled play like the full strength engine for a little while and then throw the game. An engine playing at 1400 will find tactics that I wouldn't spot and then leave a queen en prise next move.
  7. 14 Jul '06 01:51
    so they play the best strength they can from their database and when you go out of a line they struggle?
  8. 14 Jul '06 01:51 / 1 edit
    As a general rule of thumb.


    1) MAN (elo 1900) vs.. PC (elo 1900)
    2) MAN (2200) vs PC (2200)

    etc, etc

    In both cases the human will win the majority of games...Why? because humans have an edge - a strategical one. - and because humans are devoius we can plan ahead, and play to the computers weakness.


    As for myself, On my PC I can barely beat fritz at 1800 level (blitz) as for longer time controls, Not sure.
  9. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    14 Jul '06 02:17
    Originally posted by kmac27
    so they play the best strength they can from their database and when you go out of a line they struggle?
    No. That's not what I said (however they do follow database lines no matter the play level). They will find tactics beyond the scope of the player level they are emulating and then try to account for it by dropping pieces.
  10. 14 Jul '06 08:36
    Originally posted by kmac27
    just wondering i watched my dad play fritz on 2100 and he beat him then he tried 3000 and he finally lost a pawn on the 30th move and after that it was hell. just wondering if anyone ever beat it at its highest level and if not what did u beat it at.
    I beat Fritz 8 on full strength at 1+0.

    (Once.)
  11. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    14 Jul '06 09:56
    Originally posted by TommyC
    I beat Fritz 8 on full strength at 1+0.

    (Once.)
    I beat Fritz at full strength once every 50 or so games, 4 games are drawn and it wins the remaining 45 but you do need to take it slowly as at Blitz time limits you are more likely to make a tactical mistake than Fritz.

    But it is boring. Human games are more exciting due to their unpredicability. Mistakes or small tactical inaccuracies (rather than major blunders) add spice and Fritz doesn't tend to do such things.
  12. 14 Jul '06 10:58 / 1 edit
    Don't cramp any program by putting it at a lower strength with a bogus rating level, just play it at normal settings at 5 seconds per move and you take all the time you need. If you can beat that, increase the time, but Fritz at 5 seconds is strong enough to beat most any normal player.