Originally posted by irishhebrew82Ok. I don't know how important it is to chess. It probably helps. I don't put any time into improving.
I say this with complete jest and lightheartedness, sp please do not jump all over me but, did anyone else notice that only 4 or five people actually addressed the original question. Now this makes me wonder about all these geniuses here. If we all all so smart, how come we can't answer the actual question being addressed? Please feel free to PM m ...[text shortened]... yourself sometimes, how can we survive...afterall..We can't hug our children with nuclear arms
Originally posted by skimsActually Mensa accepts 200 different tests scores as proof of entry. One (1) has a entry bound of 148 (Cattell). The rest are around 130-136.
Well...156 puts hi in the top 99.990549th percentile IF THE TESTS USED BY MENSA HAD A STANDARD DEVAITION OF 15...however, they do not, they have a standard deviation of 24 (which means that an IQ of 148 put you in the top 2%.)
So, therefore, an IQ of 156 ON THE MENSA TESTS means he is in the top 1% (of thereabouts, but certainly not in the 99.990549th)
I mentioned varying standard deviations in my post however I did my calculation using the most common one because it just makes sense to do that.
Can you meet women at Mensa meetings? No, even if they would let me in, the women would be too smart for me. Why can't Mensa have a chapter for people, say, who have subnormal intelligence? Not everyone is smart enough to get into Mensa, so why should they let the dumber people out in the cold? Even though we're not smart, we're still people, right? Maybe they could call it Submensa (people under the table). Sort of like the cub scouts. Then, on the outside chance, one of us can get smart, takes vitamins or does crossword puzzles for example, they can graduate into the big leagues and discuss (I almost wrote argue) world peace or the Big Bang Theory. Has anybody noticed there are a couple of chess books sponsored by the Mensa Society, at least that's what it says on the cover. That shows you how smart they are. You don't see Mensa books on checkers or baseball or even How To Do Your Income Tax. They keep to the intellectual fields.
Originally posted by buddy2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Densa
Can you meet women at Mensa meetings? No, even if they would let me in, the women would be too smart for me. Why can't Mensa have a chapter for people, say, who have subnormal intelligence? Not everyone is smart enough to get into Mensa, so why should they let the dumber people out in the cold? Even though we're not smart, we're still people, right? M ...[text shortened]... n checkers or baseball or even How To Do Your Income Tax. They keep to the intellectual fields.
No. IQ has nothing to do with chess ability. Memory, visualization does. Hence, Fischer remembers games he played 20 years ago. He can recite each move to you by heart. He can visualize a chess board without even looking. But, when you get to extrememes, IQ does matter. Someone without an average intelligence can forget playing chess. The more your intelligence, the higher your likelihood to become good, even great at chess through study and hard work. If you just want to play a few patzer games with your friends, any average IQ can accomplish that. If you want to be a good tournament caliber player, an above average IQ - not gifted but above average - is a very good thing to have. However, as evidence, Rubenstein was a great chess player, but a complete idiot savante!
Originally posted by powershakerFirst you state 'IQ has nothing to do with chess ability'. Then you state 'IQ does matter'. The you state 'The more your intelligence, the higher your likelihood to becaome good, even great at chess...'.
No. IQ has nothing to do with chess ability. Memory, visualization does. Hence, Fischer remembers games he played 20 years ago. He can recite each move to you by heart. He can visualize a chess board without even looking. But, when you get to extrememes, IQ does matter. Someone without an average intelligence can forget playing chess. The more yo ...[text shortened]... have. However, as evidence, Rubenstein was a great chess player, but a complete idiot savante!
Make your mind up.
The only real test I took (cant remember what it was, it was a psych evaluation when I was a senior in high school, long story) was 140. Above average. But as you can see, I am terrible at chess. I just have trouble with total strategy more than anything. I can remember moves, just not what the moves are going to be doing.
Ah well, such is life in chess. I like to play thats all I care about!
IQ is nothing more than a measure of one's clarity of thought. It indicates the way in which one thinks, it has nothing to do with either common sense or general knowledge. IQ relates to chess playing ability only in as much as a higher than average IQ would allow its owner to think clearly regarding variations and sub variations on a common theme, like the progression of any given position, it would be no substitute for chess playing experience, or even for memorised opening sequences.
I think long and short term visual memory are most important for chess players. IQ tests dont measure any of these...
I remember reading about a girl who had played kasparov in a simul in 1992 and when she met him again 10 years later he could rememer the game and discuss it in detail with her.
Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardNow thats impressive.
I think long and short term visual memory are most important for chess players. IQ tests dont measure any of these...
I remember reading about a girl who had played kasparov in a simul in 1992 and when she met him again 10 years later he could rememer the game and discuss it in detail with her.