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White Advantage unfair...

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Originally posted by MikeXx2020
and you expect that to do anything?
consider meman - meman holds dozens of sieges - yes it would make a difference.

of course there are many useful things to do - this is just another somewhere down the list.

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Originally posted by howardgee
...I know I have mentioned this before but to no avail:

Black should have some rating weighting when it comes to the outcome of the game.

White has an accepted advantage in that he moves first and indeed between equal players it is ...[text shortened]... MMON RUSS, CHANGE THE RATING METHOD!!!!

GIVE BLACK A CHANCE!!!!
This is nonsense. You lose because you make mistakes, not because your opponent can make a move first. With perfect play you would always have a draw.

Edit: And usually in tournaments and clan games etc. you play both white and black against your opponent..

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Originally posted by Humper
"I win with white because I am white. I win with black because I am Steinitz".

--- Steinitz
Didn't Bogolyubov say this? With his own name, of course?

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Originally posted by flexmore
complicated?
perhaps for humans using sheets of paper and an abacus.
not for a computer!
Even for humans your compensation method is quite simple.

1800-500/20 = 1300/10/2 = 65
or
1646-500/20=114.6/2=57.3

Easy...

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What's the big deal? Sometimes you get white, and sometimes you get black. That goes for everybody. Sports has the "home field advantage." Should they adjust their value of wins for the visitors?

It all evens out.

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In amateur chess black has the advantage. White moves first, so white usually makes the first mistake.

That's a quote from someone, but I can't think of who it was. It's late...

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Originally posted by flexmore
... at that level white's advantage is huge!
I agree that it would be nice to have some extra computing going into the ratings calculations, with color biasing being significant vs. a high-rated player, and tapering to zero vs. players with ratings close to zero.

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Sorry, but this is like the 10th post I have seen about white having an unfair advantage. This is completely idiotic! White does have an advanrage, with PERFECT PLAY. There is no player on this server that can play a game PERFECTLY. There will always be a (?) move, black just has to exploit it!

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Originally posted by Tactical Play
... This is completely idiotic! White does have an advanrage, with PERFECT PLAY. There is no player on this server that can play a game PERFECTLY...
I urge you to read flexmore's post in this thread, in which he has looked up the results of games between top-6 players.

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Originally posted by MikeXx2020
Yeh and we are the top 6 players in thw world here...
Flexmore was talking about the top six players at Red Hot Pawn.

Please use your eyes.

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As I write there are 16 open invites, two of whom want to play black!!

Everybody seems to agree that white has an advantage.
Of course in tournaments, players are forced to play black and white alternately.
On this site though, it is possible for a player to NEVER play black!

It seems a logical and painless step to introduce a ratings calculation bonus for black. This may encourage ratings obsessed players to play black more often.

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Originally posted by howardgee
As I write there are 16 open invites, two of whom want to play black!!

Everybody seems to agree that white has an advantage.
Of course in tournaments, players are forced to play black and white alternately.
On this site though, it is possible for a player to NEVER play black!

It seems a logical and painless step to introduce a ratings calculation bonus for black. This may encourage ratings obsessed players to play black more often.
To be honest at my level I don't think colour choice it makes a huge difference. At least a couple of moves in almost every game I play cost the player more of an advantage than they'd get by being white.

Now look at the rating breakdown, I'm 74th out of nearly 8000 players who have moved in the last 100 days. If that's the case with my games it's also the case with the majority of players rated lower than me. Why should an adjustment be added when the difference is really only evident to the very very top of players on the site. I hesistate to say when it becomes a big deal but I'd guess it's somewhere around page 2 of the rating list. 30 players. Out of nearly 8000.

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Originally posted by howardgee
As I write there are 16 open invites, two of whom want to play black!!
then what? nobody forces you to play.

if you guys suck with black pieces it is your problem, dont blame anything else. white advantage is so slight, that it should not make difference...at least at that level we patzers are playing.