16 Jul 05
...I know I have mentioned this before but to no avail:
Black should have some rating weighting when it comes to the outcome of the game.
White has an accepted advantage in that he moves first and indeed between equal players it is generally accepted that the best black can hope for is a draw.
Hence black should be given a +10 bonus(or some other number) when calculating the rating after a game result.
The proof that the current system is flawed is in the open game list:
90% of them want to play as white!!!
And you would be stupid to start a game as black offerered the choice with blacks obvious disadvantage!
CUMMON RUSS, CHANGE THE RATING METHOD!!!!
GIVE BLACK A CHANCE!!!!
16 Jul 05
Originally posted by howardgeeTournament:
...I know I have mentioned this before but to no avail:
Black should have some rating weighting when it comes to the outcome of the game.
White has an accepted advantage in that he moves first and indeed between equal players it is generally accepted that the best black can hope for is a draw.
Hence black should be given a +10 bonus(or some other ...[text shortened]... ks obvious disadvantage!
CUMMON RUSS, CHANGE THE RATING METHOD!!!!
GIVE BLACK A CHANCE!!!!
W 53 6 23
B 55 3 23
Clan League
W 7 0 2
B 7 0 0
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16 Jul 05
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Originally posted by Prashantthis is true - but it does make just a little difference.
At the level most play the difference between white and black doesnt matter much
W 15 3 7
B 14 4 11
before computers the paperwork was prohibitive.
but now we have computers there is no excuse ... a small allowance should be made.
this allowance will be greater at higher ratings - and almost non existent at lower rating levels.
i suspect that at ironman's level it is 50 or 100 points, while at 1200 it is only 1 or 2 points.
16 Jul 05
Originally posted by howardgeenonsense.
...I know I have mentioned this before but to no avail:
Black should have some rating weighting when it comes to the outcome of the game.
White has an accepted advantage in that he moves first and indeed between equal players it is generally accepted that the best black can hope for is a draw.
Hence black should be given a +10 bonus(or some other ...[text shortened]... ks obvious disadvantage!
CUMMON RUSS, CHANGE THE RATING METHOD!!!!
GIVE BLACK A CHANCE!!!!
99% of RHP players are not so strong that they could always at least manage to draw with white pieces. and good players will win with black pieces too.
16 Jul 05
Originally posted by Jusuhi just scanned through all the games between the top 6 players,
nonsense.
99% of RHP players are not so strong that they could always at least manage to draw with white pieces. and good players will win with black pieces too.
there are
18 wins as white,
32 draws,
8 wins as black.
at that level white's advantage is huge!
16 Jul 05
Originally posted by flexmorewell isnt that normal. master-class players tend to do better with white pieces, and thats okay. in super-gm tournaments black wins are rare, but still fide is not planning to change rating system. why should RHP...
i just scanned through all the games between the top 6 players,
there are
18 wins as white,
32 draws,
8 wins as black.
at that level white's advantage is huge!
16 Jul 05
Originally posted by howardgeeI played in an OTB tournament last year where the player with the Black pieces got an extra 40 minutes on the clock to compensate. The idea turned out to be a flop though since there was plenty of time for White.
...I know I have mentioned this before but to no avail:
Black should have some rating weighting when it comes to the outcome of the game.
White has an accepted advantage in that he moves first and indeed between equal players it is generally accepted that the best black can hope for is a draw.
Hence black should be given a +10 bonus(or some other ...[text shortened]... ks obvious disadvantage!
CUMMON RUSS, CHANGE THE RATING METHOD!!!!
GIVE BLACK A CHANCE!!!!
16 Jul 05
Originally posted by howardgeeWhat difference does it make? Over time a player will play about as many times as black as they play as white. The advantage gained as white balances out in the long run.
...I know I have mentioned this before but to no avail:
Black should have some rating weighting when it comes to the outcome of the game.
White has an accepted advantage in that he moves first and indeed between equal players it is generally accepted that the best black can hope for is a draw.
Hence black should be given a +10 bonus(or some other ...[text shortened]... ks obvious disadvantage!
CUMMON RUSS, CHANGE THE RATING METHOD!!!!
GIVE BLACK A CHANCE!!!!
16 Jul 05
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Originally posted by arrakisthat sounds silly -
I played in an OTB tournament last year where the player with the Black pieces got an extra 40 minutes on the clock to compensate. The idea turned out to be a flop though since there was plenty of time for White.
i think a better technique is:
step 1/ add a bonus to the white players rating.
this bonus could be calculated by (WhitePlayersRating-500)/20.
step 2/ calculate the elo rating changes as usual.
step 3/ subtract the bonus from white's rating.
then from black's perspective, it would simply be as though they had played a stronger player.
16 Jul 05
Originally posted by flexmorehmmm
that sounds silly -
i think a better technique is:
step 1/ add a bonus to the white players rating.
this bonus could be calculated by (WhitePlayersRating-500)/20.
step 2/ calculate the elo rating changes as usual.
step 3/ subtract the bonus from white's rating.
then from black's perspective, it would simply be as though they had played a stronger player.
complicated?