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  1. 18 Jun '14 18:13 / 6 edits
  2. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    18 Jun '14 18:28
    23.e5 looks suspect. Mainly, it hands the enemy N the d5 square, while if you aim for Bb4-d6, he can oppose with ...Bf8.
  3. 18 Jun '14 18:39 / 1 edit
    sure thing, here is the revised annotations,

  4. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    18 Jun '14 18:41
    Everyone does stuff like that every now and again, including the top Grandmasters. This is Christiansen v Karpov Wijk an Zee 1993:
  5. 18 Jun '14 18:41
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    23.e5 looks suspect. Mainly, it hands the enemy N the d5 square, while if you aim for Bb4-d6, he can oppose with ...Bf8.
    sure thing, actually i think my whole position was suspect after e4, center became too weak and it just collapsed, this is my theory anyway.
  6. 18 Jun '14 18:43
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    Everyone does stuff like that every now and again, including the top Grandmasters. This is Christiansen v Karpov Wijk an Zee 1993:[pgn][Event "?"] [Site "It (matches), Wijk aan Zee NED"] [Date "1993.??.??"] [Round "2"] [White "Christiansen, Larry M"] [Black "Karpov, Anatoly"] [Result "1-0"] [WhiteElo "2620"] [ECO "E12i"] 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.a3 ...[text shortened]... 7.e4 cxd4 8.Nxd4 Nc6 9.Nxc6 Bxc6 10.Bf4 Nh5 11.Be3 Bd6 12.Qd1{Not so good because...} 1-0[/pgn]
    yes i was aware of this game, ouch! even the great Karpov.
  7. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    18 Jun '14 22:13 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    sure thing, actually i think my whole position was suspect after e4, center became too weak and it just collapsed, this is my theory anyway.
    Maybe 23.Rfd1 instead.



    The idea is to meet ...c5 with Bb2 [edit: or Be1 if I need to hold a5]. Is white's center really 'weak'? If yes, how does black exploit it?
  8. 20 Jun '14 08:12 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    Maybe 23.Rfd1 instead.

    [pgn]
    [FEN "2nr2k1/1pq2pbp/r1p1p1p1/P7/3PP3/2B2N2/2Q2PPP/R4RK1 w - - 0 23"]
    23.Rfd1[/pgn]

    The idea is to meet ...c5 with Bb2 [edit: or Be1 if I need to hold a5]. Is white's center really 'weak'? If yes, how does black exploit it?
    yes, interesting Rd1 is a much better move, Ra4 i suppose is also a move protecting the centre and getting out of the gaze of the bishop on g7.

    The concept of weakness is quite interesting for as you can see, after e4 I need to think about protecting the center and its not sure what e4 really does? ok it keeps the knight out of d5 but am I really prepared to play e4 and then d5? i am diverted from my plans of attacking on the queenside, so while it may not be weak per se, it certainly needs looking after and it sucks up resources.
  9. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    20 Jun '14 20:47 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    Everyone does stuff like that every now and again, including the top Grandmasters. This is Christiansen v Karpov Wijk an Zee 1993:[pgn][Event "?"] [Site "It (matches), Wijk aan Zee NED"] [Date "1993.??.??"] [Round "2"] [White "Christiansen, Larry M"] [Black "Karpov, Anatoly"] [Result "1-0"] [WhiteElo "2620"] [ECO "E12i"] 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.a3 ...[text shortened]... 7.e4 cxd4 8.Nxd4 Nc6 9.Nxc6 Bxc6 10.Bf4 Nh5 11.Be3 Bd6 12.Qd1{Not so good because...} 1-0[/pgn]
    Was K actually black in this game? I would have thought Christiansen would have been the one to pull that boner. Oh, never mind, I saw the headers. That must have set K back 10 years
  10. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    21 Jun '14 02:47 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    sure thing, here is the revised annotations,

    [pgn][Event "Clan challenge"] [Site "http://www.timeforchess.com"] [Date "2014.06.09"] [Round "-"] [White "robbie carrobie"] [Black "Robin Hood"] [Result "0-1"] [BlackElo "1766"] [WhiteElo "1845"] [BlackRating "1766"] [EndDate "2014.06.16"] [WhiteRating "1845"] 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 c6 {Hum ho!} 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bd ...[text shortened]... busted} 30.Ba3 Qxg5 31.Qxb7 Nd5 32.Rc8 Bxe5 33.Qb8 {and I commit suicide and resign} 0-1[/pgn]
  11. 21 Jun '14 07:31
    Originally posted by Marinkatomb
    [pgn][Event "Clan challenge"] [Site "http://www.timeforchess.com"] [Date "2014.06.09"] [Round "-"] [White "robbie carrobie"] [Black "Robin Hood"] [Result "0-1"] [BlackElo "1766"] [WhiteElo "1845"] [BlackRating "1766"] [EndDate "2014.06.16"] [WhiteRating "1845"] 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 c6 {Hum ho!} 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bd3 g6 5.Nb1d2 Bg7 6.O-O O-O 7.Re1 { Prophylactic. By d ...[text shortened]... s one of those positions where a bit of patience is all you need to force a concession...}[/pgn]
    yes its very flexible and a good option. e4 is a much more thematic idea in Colle opening.
  12. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    21 Jun '14 10:28
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes its very flexible and a good option. e4 is a much more thematic idea in Colle opening.
    Haha, well aiming for a Colle from the opening is a bit whimpy imo, but a slight edge is an acceptable thing to play for if black is playing solidly.

    White is better in this position. I think the Kings rook is almost always going to go to e1 sooner or later, playing it sooner forces black to state his intentions.
  13. Subscriber PureRWandB
    CCC Club Leader
    24 Jun '14 03:32
    You are a "decent player" robbie, you don't suck.
    But, I could understand why you may feel that way, especially when you play and get beat down by aspviper.

    FTR, I can certainly empathize with you.
  14. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    24 Jun '14 05:19
    Robbie C is a good player. IMO he lacks confidence and also he misjudges his playing strengths and weaknesses. I think he tries to be a positional player and he is a tactical player.
  15. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    24 Jun '14 05:19
    Originally posted by PureRWandB
    You are a "decent player" robbie, you don't suck.
    But, I could understand why you may feel that way, especially when you play and get beat down by aspviper.

    FTR, I can certainly empathize with you.
    Yeah, but asp is a legend.