Originally posted by sasquatch672I suppose a lot of players (especially around the 1000 points range) haven't really read a lot of chess books. They might have seen the Scholar's mate somewhere and thought, "That's cool"! What does surprise me is 1300-1400 rated players doing the same.
I play alot of live chess with real people in addition to my games here. I find that people on this site, people usually around my rating, pull their queen out before the fifth move and sometimes even on the second.
Why is this? People in live chess don't do this. Every chess book I've ever read says protect your queen, every player better tha ...[text shortened]... you sneering idiots with your four-inch biceps and your pasty skin would not possess those guts.
Originally posted by sasquatch672Naaah, I don't think it's disrespectful to bring the queen out early. And I don't think they're calling their opponent's stupid either. I believe it's just a case of people bringing out their strongest piece and playing what they believe to be the most aggressive move. They want excitement.
I play alot of live chess with real people in addition to my games here. I find that people on this site, people usually around my rating, pull their queen out before the fifth move and sometimes even on the second.
Why is this? People in live chess don't do this. Every chess book I've ever read says protect your queen, every player better tha ...[text shortened]... you sneering idiots with your four-inch biceps and your pasty skin would not possess those guts.
As others have said, most people, especially at lower ratings, playing live/blitz chess just want to be aggressive. They're not interested in a 60 move game that requires them to nurse a 1 pawn advantage into a won endgame. They want to attack. And attack right now!!
Plus bringing the queen out early is only bad if their opponent *proves* it's bad over the board.
Originally posted by wibOf course, some openings require an early Queen excursion - like the Scandinavian. Not to mention situations like the following in the Philidor Defence:
Naaah, I don't think it's disrespectful to bring the queen out early. And I don't think they're calling their opponent's stupid either. I believe it's just a case of people bringing out their strongest piece and playing what they believe to be the most aggressive move. They want excitement.
As others have said, most people, especially at lower rating ...[text shortened]... bringing the queen out early is only bad if their opponent *proves* it's bad over the board.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Bg4? 4. dxe5 Bxf3 5. Qxf3 dxe5 6. Bc4 etc.
I think this is the classic case of the conflict between good fundamental play and the tactical reality of the situation.
I just recently won two games by bringing out my queen early against oponents who are quite good by my standards. It wasn't meant to be tricky, its just that tactical oportunities arose that allowed me to bring out my queen with initiative.
The queen is a devastating attack piece, obviously. If you can bring it out with a threat and your oponent makes one minor mistake his position can often fall apart.
On the other hand, if the queen isn't attacking, it often becomes a target for the oponent allowing them to develop minor pieces while chasing her around. In this case it can be a huge mistake.
Like so many things in chess, it comes down to tactics.
There's a difference between bringing out your queen early and just throwing your queen into the game without any support. There's nothing wrong with the former, a mistake by your opponent might permit you to use your queen to gain material or tempi but the latter I find quite dumb. I don't know why they call it scholar's mate, there's nothing so scholarly about it, its just a dumb trick that is easy to refute and gives black more chances that any other opening.
Originally posted by DfthdCan't agree more.
There's a difference between bringing out your queen early and just throwing your queen into the game without any support. There's nothing wrong with the former, a mistake by your opponent might permit you to use your queen to gain material or tempi but the latter I find quite dumb. I don't know why they call it scholar's mate, there's nothing so scholarl ...[text shortened]... ts just a dumb trick that is easy to refute and gives black more chances that any other opening.
Game 1033387
In the challenge this player sent me after the game, he opened with 1. e3, so I'm hoping he wasn't planning to try the Scholar's Mate again. 😀
Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDERI can't help it. What's the Fried Liver nad where does the name come from?
They ought to go for the Fried Liver instead.
Many years ago, my father developed a wildly unsound but fun variation of the King's Indian which he called the Red Indian. I wish I could remember it.
Originally posted by sasquatch672I know exactly how you feel. 🙂
Wib - I appreciate your opinion.
In most games I've played, my opponent's deployment of their queen in the first five moves - really in the first ten - destroys the nuance, complexity, and subtlety in the game. I have to confess that when I see it, I offer up a big "Harrumph" and think to myself, "It's going to be one of THOSE games."