Why is it? in the French defence it becomes purely passive, on the white side of the
Queens gambit its mince, in the Sicilian as black it gets swapped off on e6 , its always
causing problems, why is that?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie Why is it? in the French defence it becomes purely passive, on the white side of the
Queens gambit its mince, in the Sicilian as black it gets swapped off on e6 , its always
causing problems, why is that?
Play the QID and develop it to b7, or a6. Its a great bishop in QGD's just take a look at the catalan! Its a great piece to swap off white's more active light squared bishop in many openings.
Originally posted by PhySiQ Play the QID and develop it to b7, or a6. Its a great bishop in QGD's just take a look at the catalan! Its a great piece to swap off white's more active light squared bishop in many openings.
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Sure, thats fine Q, when white plays 2.Nf3, i was just wondering what it is about the
dynamics of chess that make this a problem piece. No one hardly has any trouble
knowing what to do with their Kings bishop by comparison.
Originally posted by chesskid001 The dark squared bishop (the Queen's bishop) is immensely important for White in the Sicilian Defense, which is why black tries to get rid of it.
Sure chesskid, i understand that, but when one thinks of the comparison with the Kings
bishop, its hardly ever a problem.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie Sure, thats fine Q, when white plays 2.Nf3, i was just wondering what it is about the
dynamics of chess that make this a problem piece. No one hardly has any trouble
knowing what to do with their Kings bishop by comparison.
Thats an interesting treatise. I would say it has to do with the most popular pawn skeletons. Its strong in KID/KIA and any transposition with d6 and e5. However in Tarrasch and French like skeletons the strength of the skeleton is from f7, and lies on light squares - reigning in the subject bishop. The Tarrasch pawn skeleton isn't necessarily more secure than Kings Indian, although many feel that way.
Its a piece thats very hard to strike central light square weaknesses after a pawn skeleton is built - without a6/b7 else b2/a3 placement due to its inherent time to develop.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie i was just wondering what it is about the dynamics of chess that make this a problem piece. No one hardly has any trouble knowing what to do with their Kings bishop by comparison.
Just a guess. We know that kingside castling is quicker and more common than castling queenside. And if Black castles kingside then my light-squared bishop may target f7 or h7. Whereas, my dark-square bishop has only g7. So there's a "2 versus 1 options" in terms of which diagonals can be occupied when targetting the most common enemy king location. That may help make things easier for the light-squared bishop.
In both the french and the QGD it's the sacrifice you make to get a solid centre as black. Defenses that allow you to freely develop that bishop are all less solid in the centre. Caro-kann and slav are exceptions but you play c5 in two moves rather than one in those, so pick what you like 🙂
Originally posted by robbie carrobie Why is it? in the French defence it becomes purely passive, on the white side of the
Queens gambit its mince, in the Sicilian as black it gets swapped off on e6 , its always
causing problems, why is that?
If black does not have his queen's bishop in the King's Indian Classical, his kingside attack is over.
(I stole that [paraphrased] from Kasparov, but the comment struck me as so direct when I read it that it imprinted on my brain for all time).
Originally posted by chesskid001 The dark squared bishop (the Queen's bishop) is immensely important for White in the Sicilian Defense, which is why black tries to get rid of it.
Excellent point- we can embellish it to say that in any black fianchetto defense, exchanging for white's queen bishop is a moral victory and a practical path to equality. It's why white plays f3 and/or h3 in so many lines.
Originally posted by Paul Leggett If black does not have his queen's bishop in the King's Indian Classical, his kingside attack is over.
(I stole that [paraphrased] from Kasparov, but the comment struck me as so direct when I read it that it imprinted on my brain for all time).
I was going to say something similar about dutch leningrad. 🙂 it's a nice piece to have. just don't play those silly openings that completely bury it and you'll be fine. use it as the iron booted assassin the bishops are meant to be. 🙂
Master Robbie - I have been in intense debate with myself as to expressing the worth of your queens bishop. Now I myself prefer its use in the QID. This being an opening I'm familiar with would like to share a classic with you. I'm assuming basic familiarity with the QID and fianchetto systems in general. One of the most dynamic defenses of the Colle system (a favorite of yours I've noticed!) is in fact a Queen's Indian style set-up. White's pawn push to e4 attacks empty space. Black instead poises his pieces to undermine White's center. The technique is well illustrated in the 1929 game between Colle and Jose Capablanca.
I have chosen this game especially because it is well annotated in many texts - with the intention that you may study yourself should you find disagreement in my assessments of this great game. Kings to you robbie!
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b6 3. e3 Bb7 4. Nbd2 e6 {this position is now recognized as a QID style formation} 5. Bd3 c5 6. O-O Nc6 7. c3 Be7 8. e4 cxd4 {White cannot take with c3, or his two central pawns will require to much time to defend. His pieces are built in the defense of e4...a square which blacks long term hammer cannot be ignored...and deflates the value of his defenders} 9. Nxd4 O-O {Though whites center seems daunting early black has made no irrevocable commitments. Blacks flexibility is his definitive strength.} 10. Qe2 Ne5 { Placing pieces in front of weak pawns! This is a deliberate gain of time... not for the post of the knight but for a reduction in strength along the a6 through f1 diagnal...a direct attack on whites defense of e4 resulting in small loss of time} 11. Bc2 Qc8 12. f4 Ba6 {Time...} 13. Qd1 Nc6 {white has has committed. White has gambled for e5...slashing at empty space but does nothing to patch up whites weakness.....e4.} 14. Rf3 g6 15. N2b3 Nxd4 16. Nxd4 Bb7 { Black reloads the gun.} 17. Qe2 {An immeasurable amount of time and material value have been restrained in the defense of e4.} Bc5 {an arguable encounter. Black may have an advantage in utilization of the c file. I believe it to be too small to offset the consequences of losing the dark squared bishop. However whites time in activating the c file is worthy of notation. This does exemplify Capablancas exploitation of whites time deficiency in defense of e4 after Bxd4.} 18. Rh3 Qc6 19. e5 {Permenant retreat from e4.} Nd5 20. Qf2 Bxd4 {I must agree with many great commentators....Vekuvic esp....this is premature. Better is f5 taking the small advantage with eyes toward the quiet b5 and eventual b4. Giving white the c file opens the position into a dynamic splitting the pawn islands in such a way that is aggreable to whites bishops. Though still playing with intentions of converting temporal weakness to positional exploits.} 21. cxd4 Rac8 22. Bd1 f6 23. Qh4 {23. Bd2 fxe5 24. Rc1 Qb5 25. Qh4 Nf6 26. Rxc8 Bxc8 27. fxe5 Nh5 28. Rf3 Rxf3 29. Bxf3 and Bxd4 is now soundly refuted - white having stolen the advantage. Blacks separated pawn islands are weaker than whites due to his bishop pair. Qxb2 Bh6 Qb1+ Kf2 Qb2+ Black would have to spring in for the perpetual check - satisfied with not more than this draw} Rf7 24. Bf3 Qc4 25. Be3 Nxe3 26. Bxb7 Nf5 27. Qe1 Rc7 28. Be4 Qxd4+ 29. Kh1 fxe5 30. Bxf5 exf5 31. fxe5 Re7 32. Re3 Qxb2 33. e6 dxe6 34. Rxe6 Kf7 0-1
Originally posted by PhySiQ Master Robbie - I have been in intense debate with myself as to expressing the worth of your queens bishop. Now I myself prefer its use in the QID. This being an opening I'm familiar with would like to share a classic with you. I'm assuming basic familiarity with the QID and fianchetto systems in general. One of the most dynamic defenses of the Colle syst ...[text shortened]... exf5 31. fxe5 Re7 32. Re3 Qxb2 33. e6 dxe6 34. Rxe6 Kf7 0-1[/pgn]
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Maybe you'd consider authoring a rival blog to mister greenpawn34? 😉
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Why is the Queens bishop such a pain in the A$$
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