1. Framingham, MA
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    22 Feb '10 03:41
    I played a game as Black, recovered after a poor opening- then lost when I *thought* I had an advantage and position. I backed up a few moves to where I thought my troubles were rooted (move #30); playing it out in WinBoard always allowed my opponent to win. The position is inherently flawed.

    Why?

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    22 Feb '10 03:51
    Originally posted by rapabst
    I played a game as Black, recovered after a poor opening- then lost when I *thought* I had an advantage and position. I backed up a few moves to where I thought my troubles were rooted (move #30); playing it out in WinBoard always allowed my opponent to win. The position is inherently flawed.

    Why?

    [fen]6k1/4rppp/2n5/pp1q1n2/3Pr3/1PP2QP1/P2B3P/3R1RK1 w - - 0 1[/fen]
    I didn't really look but ...Nxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 followed by Ne2+ looks winning to me. But, don't quote me that was just the first move i looked at.
  3. Standard memberclandarkfire
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    22 Feb '10 04:13
    Assuming that position is w/ black to play, black is winning; he is a piece up. If it's white to play he just plays QxN.
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    22 Feb '10 05:00
    Originally posted by clandarkfire
    Assuming that position is w/ black to play, black is winning; he is a piece up. If it's white to play he just plays QxN.
    Thats all I've got too. If its white to move then black is losing, if its black to move then black is winning

    A bit of a trebuchet really
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    22 Feb '10 06:278 edits
    Originally posted by clandarkfire
    Assuming that position is w/ black to play, black is winning; he is a piece up. If it's white to play he just plays QxN.
    I seen the piece up by black, also assumed black to play because he played black and said this was his problem position(its not even worth looking at with white to move). The piece isn't that great of an advantage here either, white has space and two extra pawns on the queen side, white is dangerous on the f file and the knights have no support points while whites bishop can be very active. Also if the knight retreats then white has the initiative. Hence, the line i gave above. sorry for the edits 😳
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  7. Standard memberrking00
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    22 Feb '10 07:55
    Okay, I guess it is white to move then. The diagram shows the position after 30.. Nd6f5.
    Nxd4 still looks decent, but I don't know if it's winning.
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    22 Feb '10 08:08
    Originally posted by rking00
    Okay, I guess it is white to move then. The diagram shows the position after 30.. Nd6f5.
    Nxd4 still looks decent, but I don't know if it's winning.
    Well with black to move i'm pretty positive ...Nxd4 is winning but the answer to the op's question is that a piece is en prise, thats why its terrible. (plus what i said in my previous post)
  9. Standard memberAThousandYoung
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    22 Feb '10 09:32
    It's worth pointing out that White has a protected passed center Pawn.
  10. Framingham, MA
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    22 Feb '10 17:43
    Sorry for the confusion- I played Black, and it is now White's turn to move.
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    22 Feb '10 23:06
    Originally posted by rapabst
    I played a game as Black, recovered after a poor opening- then lost when I *thought* I had an advantage and position. I backed up a few moves to where I thought my troubles were rooted (move #30); playing it out in WinBoard always allowed my opponent to win. The position is inherently flawed.

    Why?

    [fen]6k1/4rppp/2n5/pp1q1n2/3Pr3/1PP2QP1/P2B3P/3R1RK1 w - - 0 1[/fen]
    After Qxf5 white's position:
    -an extra pawn
    -a connected passer
    -a 4 to 2 queenside pawn majority
    -a bishop vs knight in an open position
    -kingposition is opened

    Black's position:
    -there is a lot to worry about!

    Advantage white 🙂
  12. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    22 Feb '10 23:381 edit
    Answer: it really isn't that terrible - an extra pawn and positional advantage makes little difference in a game between a 1200 and a 900. 😵
  13. SubscriberPaul Leggett
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    23 Feb '10 00:33
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    It's worth pointing out that White has a protected passed center Pawn.
    The very first thing I noticed.
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