24 May 14
Originally posted by Data Flywow, sometimes it seems that practically its very hard to find a win even with some little superior material and the older one gets the more the end game appeals, its like a fine whisky the endgame, one needs to acquire a taste for it.
For positions with just a few pieces, the Nalimov endgame tablebases give the definitive answer:
http://www.k4it.de/index.php?lang=en&topic=egtb
In this case, Black wins in at most 16 moves!
e.g.
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[FEN "8/8/8/5K2/8/2Nnk3/3p4/8 w - - 0 1"]
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1. Nd1+ Ke2 2. Nc3+ Ke1 3. Ke4 Nc1 4. Ke3 Na2 5. Nxa2 d1=Q 6. Ke4 Qb1+
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Here I think I set my first deliberate trap, Kc3 inviting a fork on King and rook
in order for it to work one needs to envision this position here with black to move, I am sure it has a name but forget what it is,
so giving up rook and pawn for knight and pawn leads to the above, it looks like a total mistake, but its not.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'd call that a position where white is so far ahead that he can win in a variety of ways, including that one.
Here I think I set my first deliberate trap,
[fen]8/4n1k1/5R2/5pP1/2p2P2/8/3K4/8 w - - 0 58[/fen]
in order for it to work one needs to envision this position here, I am sure it has a name but forget what it is,
[fen]8/8/5k2/3K1p2/5P2/8/8/8 b - - 1 61[/fen]
so giving up rook and pawn for knight and pawn leads to the above, it looks like ...[text shortened]... Kc4d5 Kf6e7 62. Kd5e5 Ke7f7 63. Ke5xf5 Kf7e7 64. Kf5g6 Ke7f8 65. Kg6f6 Kf8g8 66. Kf6e7 1-0[/pgn]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI view it as unnatural to give up a bunch of extra material when keeping it probably leads to a faster win. But that's just me.
Ahh my beer drinking friend, a Zen Master always chooses the natural path 😀 Its the art of style!
Hmm ... are you sure white wins after 61...Kf7! ?
May have Zenned yourself out of a win there bro.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemIts the art of style my friend. My move should be featured in Yves Saint Laurent magazine its so stylish. Perhaps you can demonstrate a faster, if a somewhat less beautiful win? Anyone that knows anything about King and pawn endings knows that white is winning.
I view it as unnatural to give up a bunch of extra material when keeping it probably leads to a faster win. But that's just me.
Hmm ... are you sure white wins after 61...Kf7! ?
May have Zenned yourself out of a win there bro.
25 May 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobie62 ... Kf8 draws. Black waits until White takes the pawn then steps forward with ... Kf7 to take the opposition.
Anyone that knows anything about King and pawn endings knows that white is winning.
Your idea was very imaginative, I agree. It just doesn’t quite work.
25 May 14
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Originally posted by JonathanB of LondonMy goodness you are correct! ouch, i bow great Jonathan of London, it is always amazing to see such a cunning plan subjected to the rigors of logic and its veracity or otherwise tested.😲
62 ... Kf8 draws. Black waits until White takes the pawn then steps forward with ... Kf7 to take the opposition.
Your idea was very imaginative, I agree. It just doesn’t quite work.
25 May 14
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemI have been humbled and I thank you for it! 😀
I view it as unnatural to give up a bunch of extra material when keeping it probably leads to a faster win. But that's just me.
Hmm ... are you sure white wins after 61...Kf7! ?
May have Zenned yourself out of a win there bro.
25 May 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieJust to show fate has a sense of humour, after posting that message I popped over to chess cube and in my very next online blitz game I was a pawn up in a k+p ending but couldn’t win for exactly this reason.
I have been humbled and I thank you for it! 😀
Originally posted by iChopWoodForFreeyes I have studied end games, I even gave the position where i thought it was a win and my thought process, i make mistakes like any human being but i refuse to be lectured by a trumped up zombie drooler with no history, no games and a mouth the size of the Clyde tunnel.
Have you studied king and pawn endgames at all? This was very basic stuff.... One wonders how an 1800-1900 rated player could not know this was a draw instantly.
My idea was genius, pure unadulterated creativity and I remain a great artist, while you hide behind the anonymity of mediocrity.