Originally posted by Data Flywow, sometimes it seems that practically its very hard to find a win even with some little superior material and the older one gets the more the end game appeals, its like a fine whisky the endgame, one needs to acquire a taste for it.
For positions with just a few pieces, the Nalimov endgame tablebases give the definitive answer:
http://www.k4it.de/index.php?lang=en&topic=egtb
In this case, Black wins in at most 16 moves!
e.g.
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[FEN "8/8/8/5K2/8/2Nnk3/3p4/8 w - - 0 1"]
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1. Nd1+ Ke2 2. Nc3+ Ke1 3. Ke4 Nc1 4. Ke3 Na2 5. Nxa2 d1=Q 6. Ke4 Qb1+
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Here I think I set my first deliberate trap, Kc3 inviting a fork on King and rook
in order for it to work one needs to envision this position here with black to move, I am sure it has a name but forget what it is,
so giving up rook and pawn for knight and pawn leads to the above, it looks like a total mistake, but its not.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'd call that a position where white is so far ahead that he can win in a variety of ways, including that one.
Here I think I set my first deliberate trap,
[fen]8/4n1k1/5R2/5pP1/2p2P2/8/3K4/8 w - - 0 58[/fen]
in order for it to work one needs to envision this position here, I am sure it has a name but forget what it is,
[fen]8/8/5k2/3K1p2/5P2/8/8/8 b - - 1 61[/fen]
so giving up rook and pawn for knight and pawn leads to the above, it looks like ...[text shortened]... Kc4d5 Kf6e7 62. Kd5e5 Ke7f7 63. Ke5xf5 Kf7e7 64. Kf5g6 Ke7f8 65. Kg6f6 Kf8g8 66. Kf6e7 1-0[/pgn]
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI view it as unnatural to give up a bunch of extra material when keeping it probably leads to a faster win. But that's just me.
Ahh my beer drinking friend, a Zen Master always chooses the natural path 😀 Its the art of style!
Hmm ... are you sure white wins after 61...Kf7! ?
May have Zenned yourself out of a win there bro.
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Originally posted by BigDoggProblemIts the art of style my friend. My move should be featured in Yves Saint Laurent magazine its so stylish. Perhaps you can demonstrate a faster, if a somewhat less beautiful win? Anyone that knows anything about King and pawn endings knows that white is winning.
I view it as unnatural to give up a bunch of extra material when keeping it probably leads to a faster win. But that's just me.
Hmm ... are you sure white wins after 61...Kf7! ?
May have Zenned yourself out of a win there bro.
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Originally posted by JonathanB of LondonMy goodness you are correct! ouch, i bow great Jonathan of London, it is always amazing to see such a cunning plan subjected to the rigors of logic and its veracity or otherwise tested.😲
62 ... Kf8 draws. Black waits until White takes the pawn then steps forward with ... Kf7 to take the opposition.
Your idea was very imaginative, I agree. It just doesn’t quite work.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemI have been humbled and I thank you for it! 😀
I view it as unnatural to give up a bunch of extra material when keeping it probably leads to a faster win. But that's just me.
Hmm ... are you sure white wins after 61...Kf7! ?
May have Zenned yourself out of a win there bro.
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Originally posted by iChopWoodForFreeyes I have studied end games, I even gave the position where i thought it was a win and my thought process, i make mistakes like any human being but i refuse to be lectured by a trumped up zombie drooler with no history, no games and a mouth the size of the Clyde tunnel.
Have you studied king and pawn endgames at all? This was very basic stuff.... One wonders how an 1800-1900 rated player could not know this was a draw instantly.
My idea was genius, pure unadulterated creativity and I remain a great artist, while you hide behind the anonymity of mediocrity.