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  1. Standard memberMarinkatomb
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    25 Oct '11 14:20
    Was looking through some of my old games today and realised this game (definitely one of my best games) doesn't in fact feature a single Queen move. I thought it might make quite an interesting thread as winning game without using the strongest piece must be quite rare (perhaps Greenpawn can clarify? You seem to be able to query the RHP database but i have no idea how you do it...)

    Anyway, here's the game 🙂

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  2. Donationketchuplover
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    25 Oct '11 15:38
    Muy impressive!
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    Standard membertorten
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    25 Oct '11 17:05
    Sweet game!

    The solution to the greenpawn enigma (ff to 07.18):
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  4. Standard memberMarinkatomb
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    25 Oct '11 18:131 edit
    Thanks, i think more than two black moves deserve a question mark (the Bishop moving twice from b6-c7-b6 just allows all sorts of horrible stuff) but the tactics are quite sweet once i got the initiative. I'd be interested to see some master games with no Queen moves if there are any? 🙂
  5. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    25 Oct '11 20:161 edit
    A minor classic from nonkel - jeremy reid RHP 2009.

    White makes 34 moves without moving his Queen.

    Black resigned just before White can make his 35th move
    which will be the White Queens first move. 35.Qd8 Checkmate!

    Check it for yourself Game 6546959 Black must have sent 34....Qf4
    and THEN looked at the board. He saw mate in one so resigned.

    So the fact that White was going to make his first Queen moves after 34
    moves was enough to win. Brilliant.

    And to cap it all Black misses a mate in 3 (see if you can spot it).

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    Wings - Vanner RHP 2008
    Give us a checkmate with an umoved Queen.

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  6. t
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    25 Oct '11 20:242 edits
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    A minor classic from [b]nonkel - jeremy reid RHP 2009.

    White makes 34 moves without moving his Queen.

    Black resigned just before White can make his 35th move
    which will be the White Queens first move. 35.Qd8 Checkmate!

    Check it for yourself Game 6546959 Black must have sent 34....Qf4
    and THEN looked at the board. He saw mate i . Bf3xd5 Qg3xc3 32. Bd5b7 Qc3xc7 33. Bb7e4 Bh3e6 34. Ra1c1 Qc7f4[/pgn][/b]
    Very efficient. Queen only moves to give final blow...

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    31. .. Bg2+ 32. Bxg2 Qh4+ 33. Bh3 QxBh3++
  7. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    25 Oct '11 20:281 edit
    Reveal Hidden Content
    What is 31. A chess set with a piece missing?
    😉

    (Ah you have edited in the full solution....)
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    Standard membertharkesh
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    25 Oct '11 20:301 edit
    the missing piece is the unmoved queen...

    ...was the first edit to try the hidden stuff. still forum disabled, i am....

    edit: by the way... another theme for the pawns emerged: diverters of attention... is the heroic pawn that screams: 'here queen, take me, i am unprotected....!' and the queen comes, and forgets all about the king.

    the real sacrificier...
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    Standard membertomtom232
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    25 Oct '11 20:3611 edits
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    A minor classic from [b]nonkel - jeremy reid RHP 2009.

    White makes 34 moves without moving his Queen.

    Black resigned just before White can make his 35th move
    which will be the White Queens first move. 35.Qd8 Checkmate!

    Check it for yourself Game 6546959 Black must have sent 34....Qf4
    and THEN looked at the board. He saw mate i Nf3d4 Qf6g5 12. Bc4xf7 Ke8d8 13. Nd4e6[/pgn][/b]
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    Standard memberSwissGambit
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    25 Oct '11 23:42
    Shortest game with mate by an unmoved Queen?

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  11. Standard memberMarinkatomb
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    26 Oct '11 02:22
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Shortest game with mate by an unmoved Queen?

    [pgn][Event "Edited game"]
    [Site ""]
    [Date "2011.10.25"]
    [Round "-"]
    [White "-"]
    [Black "-"]
    [Result "1-0"]

    1. f4 f6 2. d4 Kf7 3. h4 Kg6 4. f5+ Kh5 5. e4#
    [/pgn]
    Haha, helpmate and a half!! 😀
  12. Standard memberShallow Blue
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    26 Oct '11 13:26
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    A minor classic from nonkel - jeremy reid RHP 2009.

    White makes 34 moves without moving his Queen.
    Challenge: find a proper game (not a four-move timeout or RHPGM draw, preferably a checkmate) where neither player ever moves his queen. Next, find one where the non-moved queen is the (only - no double check mates as in your second example!) mating piece, and one other where the queen has nothing to do with the mate at all and all the action is by the minor pieces.

    If you manage that, you really do deserve a pint of Embra's finest.

    Richard
  13. Standard memberpdunne
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    26 Oct '11 13:42
    Originally posted by Shallow Blue
    Challenge: find a proper game (not a four-move timeout or RHPGM draw, preferably a checkmate) where neither player ever moves his queen.
    Here you go. Not the finest game ever played, no doubt, but I didn't disturb my Queen, and neither did my hapless opponent; although mine did find herself something to do in the final position.
    Game 8763971
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    Standard memberUSArmyParatrooper
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    26 Oct '11 14:41
    lol Wow! One shot one kill on this one. I just went to Blitz (just now) to try to pull one off without moving my queen. I got it on the first try, albeit in a not so original manner.

    Not sure if this counts, as technically my queen was captured one move prior to the killing blow.

    [Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
    [Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
    [Date "2011.10.26"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "USArmyParatrooper"]
    [Black "chessman2008"]
    [Result "1-0"]

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  15. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    26 Oct '11 14:493 edits
    "Challenge: find a proper game (not a four-move timeout or RHPGM draw,
    preferably a checkmate) where neither player ever moves his queen....and one
    other where the queen has nothing to do with the mate at all and all the action is
    by the minor pieces.

    This one game fits both criteria. Neither Queen moves at all and the attack
    finishing in mate is carried out by the other bits. 21 moves.

    Redmike - Smiffy RHP 2006

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    "...Next, find one where the non-moved queen is the (only - no double check
    mates as in your second example!) mating piece."

    We turn to Paul Leggett for the next example.

    Paul Leggett - Kevinmccaffery RHP 2010 Game 7270419
    (I'll just give the last move which was move 35.)

    White checkmates with his unmoved Queen.
    It is the only piece giving check and it is the only piece covering all the flight squares..

    Humerous coincidence also here.
    Paul has played Kevinmccaffery twice and on both occassions Paul
    has checkmated him on move 35. Once with White and once with Black.
    This game above and Game 7273424

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    Next challenge is to see if Kevinmccaffery can last more than more
    35 moves v Paul. 🙂
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