Originally posted by villa68I wouldn't presume to tell someone how long they ought to think over any given position. Furthermore, correspondence chess is slow by design, so I fail to see why it matters whether the opponent is moving fast or not. It's not like you're stuck at the board bored for hours. All you have to do is check your games once a day, or even less if you play slower time controls. It takes so little time to do this.
go look at the game, explain to me how that games gets 1 week of thought while his other games take a day.
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Originally posted by BigDoggProblemI just timed out the player that clearly lost interest in the games we were playing I refered to in the post on p1 of this thread. I had clearly won positions (mate in 2 in one). The problem there is that he seems to make a habit of this and only moves in games in which he has a realistic chance, but stops or prevaricates in the ones he is losing, and then undergoes a ratings crash as people start to time him out. This means that players who have done well against him don't get the ratings points they deserve (not in my case I was at the top of the oncoming rating crash) so his rating gets artificially inflated and then falls down to an unrealistically low level which allows him into banded tournaments he shouldn't be in.
I wouldn't presume to tell someone how long they ought to think over any given position. Furthermore, correspondence chess is slow by [b]design, so I fail to see why it matters whether the opponent is moving fast or not. ...[text shortened]... you play slower time controls. It takes so little time to do this.[/b]
I should add I don't make a habit of timing people out - out of 400+ games I've used timeouts on less than 20 occasions.
Take a look at your potential opponents ratings graph before accepting a game - if their rating is forever bouncing up and down by 400 points with lots of timeouts on the way down then that is an indication of this type of behaviour. Otherwise just be patient and don't accept draw offers.
As a matter of ettiquette you should not demand that your opponent resign either, doing so may prompt them to dig their heals in and drag it out. But in clear cut cases - and I mean clear, just mail bomb them with reminders when the system lets you - that is what they are for 😉
Originally posted by Nordlysgo look at the game on the site and read the messages after the said moves, then you'll see why i agree
Actually I'd rather compare what he's doing with what you were doing in that otb game. In both cases, it is/was a childish reaction (wasting time to annoy the opponent) to annoying behaviour (in his case being pressed to resign - if I understand it correctly, he didn't start moving extremely slowly before the messages from his opponent became more rude and he got annoyed -, in your case an opponent wasting time to annoy you).
in my otb game, my oppenent walked off and left 55 min of their time disappear, they were doing it so they did not have to record moves in the 5 min left part allegro rules that a lot of otb tourneys have.
he was planning to move real fast then making me write all all the moves as i had so much time left.
he was the person being rude first.
I chose to do the same thing and wait till 5 min left so as not to record the moves, i went for a walk around looking at the top player games, i had informed my opponent that i was doing this (even though, i could have said nothing and made them wait at the table)
I feel my actions were not in the spirit of the game but when faced with rudeness, i replied in kind, almost (i at least informed my opponent of my intentions)
I don't see a direction correlation of my actions with the redhotpawn game we are talking about other than rude behaviour took place showing disrespect for one opponent
in my otb game this was what my opponent did
Could someone please show me where in the official rules of chess it states that, I or anyone else, must resign a game simply because my opponent "FEELS" that he has a won game? For that matter show me where in the rules, or Terms of Service here at RHP it states the same? Someone? Anyone?
And please don't give me that crap about "spirit of the game" or "polite thing to do". Show me the rule. If anyone has broken a rule it would be Monyets tikus for posting and commenting on a game under play. As far as being rude or impolite, again, it's Monyets tikus' comments that I consider rude. So again don't tell me "it's the polite thing to do".
If this bothers anyone who plays here, the answer is simple: Start another game or SHUT UP!!!
Originally posted by chaswrayspirit of the game crap??????
Could someone please show me where in the official rules of chess it states that, I or anyone else, must resign a game simply because my opponent "FEELS" that he has a won game? For that matter show me where in the rules, or Terms of Service here at RHP it states the same? Someone? Anyone?
And please don't give me that crap about "spirit of the ...[text shortened]... If this bothers anyone who plays here, the answer is simple: Start another game or SHUT UP!!!
ever look at gm game and wonder why they resigned
seeing only a 1 pawn or 2 pawn difference
(sometimes they play these out as there is play and draws can be had)
sometimes they are unstopable pawns and even though the game could continue foir another 50 moves they resign.
they don't have to but they do
why?
respect thats in built to the whole idea of chess.
in soccer when a player is injured the opposing team kicks the ball out of play to allow attention on. afterwards the ball is passed back to the team who kicked it out of play
this is not in the rules of the game but has always been in the spirit of the game.
in many sports and games there are explamples similar to this
I agree there is nothing in the rules, i never said there was
this is not even my game remember so not affect me nor most of the posters here
read jwerchadlo profile
he plays out all games and takes time outs
he was playing at a normal speed then went into a completely losing position and slowed move from his daily speed in all other games to waiting 7 days a move
monyet seems to have posted about the game nice
then within a few moves been less nice
this is probaly because of the change in pace of the game when jwerchadlo started losing real bad.
also
kindly explain how monyet broke a rule
i don't see any rule on commentating on ones own game
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here is my comments on that game which i feel make zero difference
jweraldo is completly losing and only a fool could not win the position(and even then, with a lone king i don't know how better than a draw is achievable)
Are we talking about Grandmaster games here? Hell no! Show me where it says we win money or even trophys here? That's what time controls are for, if you want speedy games go play on Uchess. You can't accept a game at slow time controls, like we have here, and then whine because your opponent suddenly makes full use of his time.
Where's your "spirit of the game" when people openly use books and databases on the site? Some might even go so far as to use a chess engine to suggest a move! And then people have the nerve to complain when someone takes full advantage of his time limits, and won't resign when they feel he should? Unbelievable!!!
You can not compare your OTB experiences to what goes on here, it's apples and oranges.
Originally posted by chaswraydid you even read my post?
Are we talking about Grandmaster games here? Hell no! Show me where it says we win money or even trophys here? That's what time controls are for, if you want speedy games go play on Uchess. You can't accept a game at slow time controls, like we have here, and then whine because your opponent suddenly makes full use of his time.
Where's your "spiri ...[text shortened]...
You can not compare your OTB experiences to what goes on here, it's apples and oranges.
did you look at the game in progress? that we talking about?
the guy has a lone king
he was playing fast (by correspondence stanards) then he enters complete losing position and he only then slows down to the time control
it's called gamesmanship and quiet frankly this should have nothing to do with chess nor the spirit of the game.
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if a person slowed down in a game where they were 1 piece down (losing at a hiogh level but prehaps not here) i would have no complaints, there choice, maybe a nice idea somewhere to fight back
different story with lone king, the guy hoping his opponent goes on holiday and he times out the person, that my opinion anyways
Originally posted by villa68Yes I read your post, but you've still not shown me the rule that says he has to resign! Ever hear of someone wanting to learn how his opponent plays out the endgame? If it's such an easy win then all Monyets has to do is win it. But instead he chooses to make a public spectacle of his opponent.
did you even read my post?
did you look at the game in progress? that we talking about?
the guy has a lone king
he was playing fast (by correspondence stanards) then he enters complete losing position and he only then slows down to the time control
it's called gamesmanship and quiet frankly this should have nothing to do with chess nor the spiri ...[text shortened]... the guy hoping his opponent goes on holiday and he times out the person, that my opinion anyways
FYI, I agree, I would resign, usually, in this situation. However it is not required, and a lot of people on this site are learning different aspects of the game, and the endgame is a very hard part of this game to play well. So why shouldn't someone be allowed to play it out?
You argue that it's "rude" for someone to not resign in this position. Well I argue that it's just as "rude" for someone to publicly "suggest" that their opponent resign!
Originally posted by davfrathe start of this thread
My opponent was moving several times a day. Then he lost a queen and a rook for a bishop and now he hasn`t moved for 3 days.
This game is so boring sometimes.
I would have resigned by now but even if I didn`t, I would be too proud to hang it out like this.
Originally posted by Monyets tikuswhat monyet said
Game 1103455
this guy refues to resign against me even when it was obvious
when he had only a king left after i went queen takes rook
and queen next to his king
he took 6 days to reply even though he was moving in other games.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtanother person who things it was rude for the slow play all of a sudden in a losing position
Which is especially foolish of him/her as you are currently provisionally rated and therefore it will only cost him half the number of ratings points as it will if he holds out until you have completed 20 games...
I'm not going to comment on the actual game as it is in progress. In general it is up to your opponent whether to resign or not, it is pos ...[text shortened]... ot accept draw offers so that the behaviour is never rewarded, that way hopefully they'll stop.
Originally posted by chaswrayi think the person should resign
Yes I read your post, but you've still not shown me the rule that says he has to resign! Ever hear of someone wanting to learn how his opponent plays out the endgame? If it's such an easy win then all Monyets has to do is win it. But instead he chooses to make a public spectacle of his opponent.
FYI, I agree, I would resign, usually, in this situat ...[text shortened]... rgue that it's just as "rude" for someone to publicly "suggest" that their opponent resign!
but what i think is realy rude is the slow play all of a sudden when a completely losing position is reached
this is what i said in my earlier posts on the subject
Originally posted by villa68And the slow play is well within the time limits, AGREED UPON by BOTH players at the start of the game. If his flag falls then Monyets is well within his right to claim the win.
i think the person should resign
but what i think is realy rude is the slow play all of a sudden when a completely losing position is reached
this is what i said in my earlier posts on the subject
Also notice that Deep Thought had the decency not to publicly point out his opponent and understands what he has to do. If you or anyone else don't like it if your opponent slows down in a losing position, then win the game and don't play him again. But don't make a public spectacle of him!
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Originally posted by villa68You throw around the terms "rude" and "respect" and yet:
i think the person should resign
but what i think is realy rude is the slow play all of a sudden when a completely losing position is reached
this is what i said in my earlier posts on the subject
Your first post in this thread:
"some idiots everywhere it seems." I assume refering to Monyets opponent
Your second post in this thread:
"lol
what a loser
is he brave enough to post in the thread and explain i wonder?"
Hmmmm, respect and rudeness, huh?