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Bedlam

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Does anyone actively use the zebra concept in their games? If you're asking what zebra chess is its considered blacks advantage (debateable) by moving second in the game, I think it only applies to certain openings/positions....basicly by moving first white gives up information about his plan, while this may sound stupid, of course white is going to give up information like 1.e4 then we know what we will play as a response but the point is that at some point in the game white will have to make a critical decision about their plan for the game and once they have made this decison black can then use that information to take a decison which in fact makes their game better than whites because they were moving second.

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Originally posted by Bedlam
Does anyone actively use the zebra concept in their games? If you're asking what zebra chess is its considered blacks advantage (debateable) by moving second in the game, I think it only applies to certain openings/positions....basicly by moving first white gives up information about his plan, while this may sound stupid, of course white is going to give up ...[text shortened]... ke a decison which in fact makes their game better than whites because they were moving second.
I worry about it in some games (i.e. Symmetric English) but in general I doubt that it is an advantage so much as giviing white the first chance to blunder.

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Originally posted by zebano
I worry about it in some games (i.e. Symmetric English) but in general I doubt that it is an advantage so much as giviing white the first chance to blunder.
Heres an example that Rowson gives.

[Event "Newcastle"]
[Site "Plymouth"]
[Date "2001.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Hodgson"]
[Black "Arkell"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. c4 c5 2. g3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. a3 a6 6. Rb1 Rb8 7. b4 cxb4 8. axb4
b5 9. cxb5 axb5 10. Nf3 d5 11. d4 Nf6 12. Bf4 Rb6 13. O-O Bf5 14. Rb3 O-O 15.
Ne5 Ne4 16. h3 h5 17. Kh2 Re8 18. Be3 Nxe5 19. dxe5 Rc6 20. Nxb5 Bxe5 21. Nd4
Bxd4 22. Bxd4 e5 23. b5 Rc8 24. Bb2 d4 25. b6 Nxf2 26. Qe1 Ne4 27. b7 Rb8 28.
g4 hxg4 29. hxg4 Be6 30. Rb5 Nf6 31. Rxf6 Qxf6 32. Qg3 Bc4 33. g5 Qh8+ 0-1

The comment in the book on move 17 is that if white went Re1 black would just play Re8! and give the move back to white. Theres a nice little paragraph there which goes "I asked Kasimdzhanov about this position he joked that maybe white should try to triangulate with the king to give the extra move problem to black. However, we quickly established that after 17..Kh7 18.Kh1 Kh8 19. Kh2 Kh7 20. Kg1 black can keep the opposition but only at the risk of allowing a draw by repetition!"

This is probably an extreme example but its fun to run through.

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I doubt black has any real advantage from that information. I mean, you can usually squeeze out a small opening advantage with white in most openings..

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