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Posers and Puzzles

Posers and Puzzles

  1. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    06 Dec '06 02:35 / 1 edit
    -White to move, mating in two.
    -There are four possibilities...can you find them all?

  2. 06 Dec '06 02:52 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    -White to move, mating in two.
    -There are four possibilities...can you find them all?

    [fen]4K3/8/2B3B1/3pBp2/3BkB2/3pBp2/2B3B1/8[/fen]
    EDIT: on second thought, I was wrong.
    EDIT2 : on third thought, there is no mate in two. Whatever white does one of the bishops is going to be taken by one of the black pawns.
  3. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    06 Dec '06 03:00
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    -White to move, mating in two.
    -There are four possibilities...can you find them all?

    [fen]4K3/8/2B3B1/3pBp2/3BkB2/3pBp2/2B3B1/8[/fen]
    Wow, that's a ton of Bishops for a fairly simple idea.
  4. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    06 Dec '06 03:02
    Originally posted by hypothetical
    1. Bb3 d2
    2. Bc2#
    or
    1. Bd1 d2
    2. Bc2#
    or
    1. Bf1 f2
    2. Bg2#
    or
    1. Bh3 f2
    2. Bg2#

    People who come up with stupid problems like this must be either extremely bored or don't spend much time coming up with them...
    (But then on the other hand I'm stupid for posting on this topic. )
    Two of these are not solutions. Can you tell why?
  5. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    06 Dec '06 03:09
    hey...a puzzle is a puzzle is a puzzle...i know it may seem easy to some but those of us who have played for a while do not make up all of the chess gaming population
  6. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    06 Dec '06 03:14 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    -White to move, mating in two.
    -There are four possibilities...can you find them all?

    [fen]4K3/8/2B3B1/3pBp2/3BkB2/3pBp2/2B3B1/8[/fen]

    White mates in 2

    This achieves the same idea as your problem without all the useless Bishops, and with tons less pieces on the board, and it's actually sound (there really is only one solution). In general, a composer ought to strive for economy.
  7. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    06 Dec '06 04:36
    ok...i never said it had to be a perfect puzzle...it was a brainteaser...plus, some more amateur players, for whom the puzzle was designed, would be distracted by all the extra pieces...perhaps your puzzle appeals to the more experienced players (happy medium?)
  8. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    06 Dec '06 04:52
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    (happy medium?)
    Agreed. I'll grant you four Bishops.
  9. 06 Dec '06 08:11
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    This achieves the same idea as your problem without all the useless Bishops, and with tons less pieces on the board
    What would your version look like if the Black King has to be on e4 ?
  10. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    06 Dec '06 16:18
    Originally posted by aging blitzer
    What would your version look like if the Black King has to be on e4 ?
    It would have more pieces to contain the King's extra flight squares. That is why I moved him to the edge. There's no reason that he has to be on e4.
  11. 06 Dec '06 16:35
    Since the topic is bishops, here is my contribution. White to move and win (by P. Heuäcker):

  12. 06 Dec '06 16:52
    Originally posted by crazyblue
    Since the topic is bishops, here is my contribution. White to move and win (by P. Heuäcker):

    [fen]1B6/8/7P/4p3/3b3k/8/8/1K6 w - - 0 1[/fen]
    I think in the original problem the white king is on c1. This makes the solution a little bit longer.
  13. 06 Dec '06 17:34
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    It would have more pieces to contain the King's extra flight squares. That is why I moved him to the edge. There's no reason that he has to be on e4.
    but it is. there's no reason for it to be on the edge either
  14. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    06 Dec '06 17:51
    Originally posted by aging blitzer
    but it is. there's no reason for it to be on the edge either
    Yes, there is. The convention of economy dictates that needless pieces should not be added.
  15. 06 Dec '06 18:32 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    [fen]2K5/kB6/1p6/8/8/8/8/6B1[/fen]
    White mates in 2

    This achieves the same idea as your problem without all the useless Bishops, and with tons less pieces on the board, and it's actually sound (there really is only one solution). In general, a composer ought to strive for economy.
    Bh2 b6
    Bg1#
    Obvious solution. I haven't checked it for a while, but I think ilywrin's profile puzzle has the same sort of theory...