1. SubscriberBigDoggProblem
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    19 Jul '05 01:20
    Originally posted by MikeXx2020
    [fen]B111K11N/8/8/8/8/8/8/k7[/fen]
    A known theoretical win for White. Next!
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    19 Jul '05 02:29

    This one is better.


    Your one is only mate in 30.
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    19 Jul '05 07:58
    Originally posted by XanthosNZ
    [fen]7K/4B3/4k3/8/8/8/8/2N5 w - - 0 1[/fen]
    This one is better.


    Your one is only mate in 30.
    why better? Just get the bishop out of the way, and with perhaps a few moves more we have the same. Is more moves = better?

    Ah yes, with black to play I think it's a draw 😉
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    19 Jul '05 08:061 edit


    How about this one?
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    19 Jul '05 09:27
    Originally posted by schakuhr
    [fen]K7/Q7/8/8/3rk3/8/8/8 - - 1 1[/fen]

    How about this one?
    Assuming white has the move (otherwise Rd8+ draws) it is a standard win for white. I would start with Qf7 or Qe7 to 'split' the board for the black king in 2, reducing the options. But I am sure there are many good first moves.
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    19 Jul '05 10:371 edit
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    why better? Just get the bishop out of the way, and with perhaps a few moves more we have the same. Is more moves = better?
    I think he means that, requiring 33 moves, this is the longest shortest mate with B+N+K vs. K

    Only 99.51% of these positions are won with White to move.
    Can you construct a drawn position with White to move?

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    19 Jul '05 10:45
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    Assuming white has the move (otherwise Rd8+ draws) it is a standard win for white. I would start with Qf7 or Qe7 to 'split' the board for the black king in 2, reducing the options. But I am sure there are many good first moves.
    White should play Qe7+, Qh7+, Qf7, or Qa2, mating in 33 moves. All other moves are inferior.

    But this position is not the longest shortest mate with K+Q vs. K+R.
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    19 Jul '05 11:18
    Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDER
    White should play Qe7+, Qh7+, Qf7, or Qa2, mating in 33 moves. All other moves are inferior.

    But this position is not the longest shortest mate with K+Q vs. K+R.
    That is possible. Only, the technique I use is based on a) limiting the playground for the king, b) driving king and rook apart, c) forcing the king to the rim and towards a corner and finally d) using mating threads, provoke forkings and win the rook. It may not lead to the fastes way in all positions, but will not be off by more than 5 moves, safely within the 50.
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    19 Jul '05 11:461 edit
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    That is possible. Only, the technique I use is based on a) limiting the playground for the king, b) driving king and rook apart, c) forcing the king to the rim and towards a corner and finally d) using mating threads, provoke forkings and ...[text shortened]... s, but will not be off by more than 5 moves, safely within the 50.
    I was referring to the position, not your peerless technique. 😉
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    19 Jul '05 16:521 edit
    Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDER
    I think he means that, requiring 33 moves, this is the longest shortest mate with B+N+K vs. K

    Only 99.51% of these positions are won with White to move.
    Can you construct a drawn position with White to move?

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    19 Jul '05 18:31
    Originally posted by MikeXx2020
    [fen]111NkB11/8/8/8/8/8/8/K7[/fen]
    Smartass.
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    19 Jul '05 19:341 edit
    Originally posted by MikeXx2020
    [fen]K111111k/8/8/8/8/8/8/8[/fen]
    Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDER
    Smartass.

    I take that back.
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    19 Jul '05 20:37
    Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDER
    Smartass.
    Smart-arse is better. It's British 😉
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    21 Jul '05 23:06
    Originally posted by Bowmann
    Smart-arse is better. It's British 😉
    Literaly translated, does that mean sore bum? 🙄
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    22 Jul '05 00:03
    Originally posted by jimslyp69
    Literaly translated, does that mean sore bum? 🙄
    Smart alec.
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