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    white to play

    i guess some of you have seen this before. if you have, dont post any solutions.

    and try to solve this on your own...
    EDIT: by the way. it took over 2 minutes for Kasparov to solve this.
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    17 Apr '05 17:19
    Is it Black to win? Or should we guess.
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    17 Apr '05 17:29
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    [fen]3K4/kp6/p7/1P6/8/8/7P/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]

    white to play

    i guess some of you have seen this before. if you have, dont post any solutions.

    and try to solve this on your own...
    EDIT: by the way. it took over 2 minutes for Kasparov to solve this.
    1.b6+! Forcing Black to promote on the a-file.
    1...Kxb6 2.h4 a5 ... 6.h8Q wins.
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    17 Apr '05 19:49
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    1.b6+! Forcing Black to promote on the a-file.
    1...Kxb6 2.h4 a5 ... 6.h8Q wins.
    Well there is 1...Kb8!
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    17 Apr '05 20:051 edit
    Originally posted by ilywrin
    Well there is 1...Kb8!
    In fact, it is probably the main line.
    Some nice stalemate cheapos there.
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    18 Apr '05 04:56
    Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDER
    In fact, it is probably the main line.
    Some nice stalemate cheapos there.
    yes b6+! kb8! are best moves for both, but still it is whites win.
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    Hmmm... How unfortunate that I know this study. A really marvelous piece...
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    wow that is simple

    just get the pawn down on the right to the bottom and check mate em there...
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    19 Apr '05 15:29
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    yes b6+! kb8! are best moves for both, but still it is whites win.
    how does white win?
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    19 Apr '05 15:32
    Originally posted by stenersk
    wow that is simple
    Yes, 'wow' is simple.
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    Originally posted by stenersk
    wow that is simple

    just get the pawn down on the right to the bottom and check mate em there...
    COULDN'T GET IT!!!!!!!!!!
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    19 Apr '05 20:17
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    1.b6+! Forcing Black to promote on the a-file.
    1...Kxb6 2.h4 a5 ... 6.h8Q wins.
    Well I didn't spot this one at all, though Q+P vs Q+P wouldn't work. Of course writing down the moves and it does.

    If
    1. b6+ Kb8
    2. h4 a5
    3. h5 a4
    4. h6 a3
    5. h7 a2
    6. h8=Q a1=Q

    Now Qxa1 is stalemate, but rather stupidly I missed Qg8, Qf8 or Qe8. Depending on blacks next move white will soon mate.

    7........ Qc1/c3
    8. Kd7+ (BTW any specific algebraic symbols for a check like this?)
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    19 Apr '05 21:54
    Originally posted by Peakite
    Well I didn't spot this one at all, though Q+P vs Q+P wouldn't work. Of course writing down the moves and it does.

    If
    1. b6+ Kb8
    2. h4 a5
    3. h5 a4
    4. h6 a3
    5. h7 a2
    6. h8=Q a1=Q

    Now Qxa1 is stalemate, but rather stupidly I missed Qg8, Qf8 or Qe8. Depending on blacks next move white will soon mate.

    7........ Qc1/c3
    8. Kd7+ (BTW any specific algebraic symbols for a check like this?)
    7...Qc1/c3?? gives up too easily. Black will instead continue his theme of playing for stalemate by answering 7.Qg8 with Qa2!, etc.
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    But instead of 7... c1, can't blacks queen shuttle up and down the a column, keeping a diagonal attack on white's queen while white's queen is on row 8 - with QxQ = stalemate? I think it has to be specifically 7 Qe8

    7 Qe8 Qa4
    8 Qe5+ Ka8
    9 Qh8
    Now if black's queen moves to a1, white can take it - crucially with check, if black tries Qf4 white has Qa1 check, followed by mate.


    Originally posted by Peakite
    Well I didn't spot this one at all, though Q+P vs Q+P wouldn't work. Of course writing down the moves and it does.

    If
    1. b6+ Kb8
    2. h4 a5
    3. h5 a4
    4. h6 a3
    5. h7 a2
    6. h8=Q a1=Q

    Now Qxa1 is stalemate, but rather stupidlyI missed Qg8, Qf8 or Qe8. Depending on blacks next move white will soon mate.

    7........ Qc1/c3
    8. Kd7+ (BTW any specific algebraic symbols for a check like this?)
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