04 Dec '04 03:28>
chicken or egg?
Originally posted by TheMaster37So, what was this creature called that laid the first "chicken-egg"? I would guess that they were very populous, because it must have taken them thousands of years to evolve into a chicken, and that is a low estimate. So there must be plenty of fossil evidence.
And if you meant a chickenegg similar to the ones we have now, it's also the egg.
Look back in the evolvement-history of the chicken. Gradually, a creature evolved, things changing about the creature, making it more chicken with every step. Every DNA-mutation happens when a creature reproduces. The last mutation needed to evolve the creature into a c ...[text shortened]... e we named the reproduction method (eg the name chicken exists longer then the name chicken-egg)
Originally posted by PolynikesIt was domesticable and tasty, and very productive egg-wise. I don't think the selection method was natural as such, though.
Can you explain what advantage the modern chicken had upon it's birth? That last mutation must have been amazing to completely wipe out the "pre-cursor to the chicken-beast" during natural selection.
Originally posted by PolynikesIt depends on where you draw the line between chicken and nonchicken, as TheMaster37 pointed out. Wherever that line is drawn, the parent of the first chicken was a very chicken like animal. The last mutation was just good enough that it enabled chickens to slowly outcompete the protochickens, but I don't know what it was. I haven't looked into the matter.
So, what was this creature called that laid the first "chicken-egg"? I would guess that they were very populous, because it must have taken them thousands of years to evolve into a chicken, and that is a low estimate. So there must be plenty of fossil evidence.
This creature would have to be very similar to a chicken, because it had to reproduce wit ...[text shortened]... azing to completely wipe out the "pre-cursor to the chicken-beast" during natural selection.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungSounds pretty good. Does this protochicken still exist at all, or has it become extinct? What were some of it's more primitive features? Did it have fully developed senses yet?
It depends on where you draw the line between chicken and nonchicken, as TheMaster37 pointed out. Wherever that line is drawn, the parent of the first chicken was a very chicken like animal. The last mutation was just good enough that it enabled chickens to slowly outcompete the protochickens, but I don't know what it was. I haven't looked into the matter.
TheMaster37 is right though. The egg came first.
Originally posted by PolynikesThe problem with answering your question is that you misunderstand the theory of evolution (TOE). Instead of organisms jumping from species to species, there's a very gradual change. Species differentiate not by one species coming from another, but from one parent species being separated somehow so they do not interbreed and then evolving separately.
Sounds pretty good. Does this protochicken still exist at all, or has it become extinct? What were some of it's more primitive features? Did it have fully developed senses yet?
Better yet, can someone reccomend a book, a museum, or ...[text shortened]... ith each other. That would be awesome to find out! Thanks, guys!
Originally posted by AThousandYoungif you believe that evolution crap than you believe that we used to be monkeysπ
The problem with answering your question is that you misunderstand the theory of evolution (TOE). Instead of organisms jumping from species to species, there's a very gradual change. Species differentiate not by one species coming from another, but from one parent species being separated somehow so they do not interbreed and then evolving separatel ...[text shortened]... the Old World, and now the two species cannot interbreed (or can they? I have no idea actually).