http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-01-year-old-dog-cancer-reveals-secrets.html
"...This cancer, which causes grotesque genital tumours in dogs around the world, first arose in a single dog that lived about 11,000 years ago. The cancer survived after the death of this dog by the transfer of its cancer cells to other dogs during mating.
The genome of this 11,000-year-old cancer carries about two million mutations – many more mutations than are found in most human cancers, the majority of which have between 1,000 and 5,000 mutations. The team used one type of mutation, known to accumulate steadily over time as a "molecular clock", to estimate that the cancer first arose 11,000 years ago.
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Just a thought: if this cancer were to keep evolving for, say, the next 10 million years like it has been evolving for the last few thousand years, it may mutate so much and become so different that, if we didn't have the benefit of hindsight, we would think it wasn't cancer at all but is a single-celled disease-causing parasite completely unrelated to cancer or dog cells and which evolved from another singled-celled organism, not a dog cell!
This makes me wonder if there are some other species of single-celled disease-causing parasites living today that we wrongly naturally assume evolved from other singled-celled organisms unrelated to their host's cells when, in fact, they evolved from infectious cancer cells of their hosts?
Originally posted by humyYeah, saw that. Horrible disease. Anything like that recorded in human history?
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-01-year-old-dog-cancer-reveals-secrets.html
"...This cancer, which causes grotesque genital tumours in dogs around the world, first arose in a single dog that lived about 11,000 years ago. The cancer survived after the death of this dog by the transfer of its cancer cells to other dogs during mating.
The genome of this 1 ...[text shortened]... d to their host's cells when, in fact, they evolved from infectious cancer cells of their hosts?
Originally posted by humyI told you that it is devolution, not evolution, but you wouldn't listen.
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-01-year-old-dog-cancer-reveals-secrets.html
"...This cancer, which causes grotesque genital tumours in dogs around the world, first arose in a single dog that lived about 11,000 years ago. The cancer survived after the death of this dog by the transfer of its cancer cells to other dogs during mating.
The genome of this 1 ...[text shortened]... d to their host's cells when, in fact, they evolved from infectious cancer cells of their hosts?
Originally posted by sonhouseI did a web search on this and found that, as far as is known, there are no infectious cancers that readily spreads from one person to another but, there is proof that, tragically, cancer can sometimes spread from pregnant mother to unborn baby but fortunately this is very rare:
Yeah, saw that. Horrible disease. Anything like that recorded in human history?
http://www.smh.com.au/national/mothers-cancer-spread-to-baby-in-the-womb-20091013-gvqe.html
Originally posted by humyI don't know how they could possible come of with an age of 11,ooo years. However, this is just more proof that mutations are harmful and does not cause evolution, but devolution and death.
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-01-year-old-dog-cancer-reveals-secrets.html
"...This cancer, which causes grotesque genital tumours in dogs around the world, first arose in a single dog that lived about 11,000 years ago. The cancer survived after the death of this dog by the transfer of its cancer cells to other dogs during mating.
The genome of this 1 ...[text shortened]... d to their host's cells when, in fact, they evolved from infectious cancer cells of their hosts?
Originally posted by RJHindsOf course you can't see how they come up with a date of 11K years back, your cognitive dissonance can't accept any date past 6K years because of your rigorous religious brainwashing.
I don't know how they could possible come of with an age of 11,ooo years. However, this is just more proof that mutations are harmful and does not cause evolution, but devolution and death.
Originally posted by RJHindsThe figure of 11,000 was derived by using basic arithmetic. If you can't fathom that, how can possibly figure that the rest of the science involved disproves evolution and proves the existence of a God. Far out man! 🙄
I don't know how they could possible come of with an age of 11,ooo years. However, this is just more proof that mutations are harmful and does not cause evolution, but devolution and death.
Originally posted by Sicilian SausageThat is one of the most ignorant explanations I have heard on here to date.
The figure of 11,000 was derived by using basic arithmetic. If you can't fathom that, how can possibly figure that the rest of the science involved disproves evolution and proves the existence of a God. Far out man! 🙄
Originally posted by RJHindsIf you know the rate of change of something and the value of how much it has changed, you can then determine how long it has been changing. As I said, basic arithmetic. It is you who is ignorant and even worse so, by choice.
That is one of the most ignorant explanations I have heard on here to date.
Originally posted by Sicilian SausageWell, that rate of change is not known, numbnuts. Those people don't have any HiINDSight, that belongs to me.
If you know the rate of change of something and the value of how much it has changed, you can then determine how long it has been changing. As I said, basic arithmetic. It is you who is ignorant and even worse so, by choice.
Originally posted by Sicilian SausageYes, and obviously, the rate of change can be measured/observed and thus known and is known in this case because of such measurements/observations.
If you know the rate of change of something and the value of how much it has changed, you can then determine how long it has been changing. As I said, basic arithmetic. .
Of course, any delusional person who has strong enough religious reasons to want to deny science facts will probably idiotically deny you can measure and then know a rate of change of anything even though much of science is doing precisely that all the time and even through much or our technology wouldn't work without it (such as a car speedometer )
Originally posted by humyThere is no ageometer that is capable of measuring ages of anthing to 11000 years old, because age is not a constant rate throughout history.
Yes, and obviously, the rate of change can be measured/observed and thus known and is known in this case because of such measurements/observations.
Of course, any delusional person who has strong enough religious reasons to want to deny science facts will probably idiotically deny you can measure and then know a rate of change of anything even though much of s ...[text shortened]... me and even through much or our technology wouldn't work without it (such as a car speedometer )