- 19 Dec '17 15:09 / 6 editsAt least I am certainly not going to make the same mistake.

All the maths proofs I make to go into my book (yet-to-be published) will be all written so the average layperson will have no difficulty understanding them thus maths experts would certainly understand them!

No point in making a proof expressed such that nobody, not even the experts, understands it! A proof that apparently cannot be verified as being proof would completely defeat the whole point of a proof!

The main type of proof I will use in my book will be proof by contradiction, which is a type of proof that is actually very easy even for the maths naive to understand and I will explain each in plain English as well as mathematically. - 20 Dec '17 09:48

Do you or do you not think that person A can discover*Originally posted by @humy***At least I am certainly not going to make the same mistake.**

All the maths proofs I make to go into my book (yet-to-be published) will be all written so the average layperson will have no difficulty understanding them thus maths experts would certainly understand them!

No point in making a proof expressed such that nobody, not even the experts, understands it ...[text shortened]... he maths naive to understand and I will explain each in plain English as well as mathematically.

a mathematical proof that is incomprehensible to person B?

If no then you think that all abstract theorems are understandable

by the whole population. I think the evidence is against this.

If yes then you can continue applying this to diminishing

populations such that eventually there is nobody else to

understand the proof. - 20 Dec '17 10:58 / 1 edit
*Originally posted by @wolfgang59***Do you or do you not think that person A can discover**

a mathematical proof that is incomprehensible to person B?

If no then you think that all abstract theorems are understandable

by the whole population. I think the evidence is against this.

If yes then you can continue applying this to diminishing

populations such that eventually there is nobody else to

understand the proof.Do you or do you not think that person A can discover

a mathematical proof that is incomprehensible to person B?

of cause that is possible.

Thankfully, all my proofs just happen to be extremely easy to understand.If yes then you can continue applying this to diminishing

populations such that eventually there is nobody else to

understand the proof.

What use does a proof have if nobody else can understand it?

It may have only rather limit personal use to the one person that understands it who produced it but still be completely useless to everyone else because nobody else would rationally know it is valid if nobody else can understand it thus everyone else would only have the word of the person that produced it that it is valid and that wouldn't be adequate. I think there really needs to be at least one other intelligent and generally trusted maths-expert person (or perhaps even just a computer or even an AI checking the proof! That has on the extremely rare occasion already happened in the past! ) that independently has studied it and says, yes, that proof is valid, before everyone else can rationally 'know' it is valid. - 20 Dec '17 14:25

don't forget about Ramanujan and the Akashic records !!*Originally posted by @sonhouse***http://www.sciencealert.com/nightmarish-500-page-math-proof-even-experts-can-t-understand-about-published-shinichi-mochizuki**

This paper has been analysed for years with no consenous.

I wonder if Terence Tao has had a look? - 20 Dec '17 16:32

But who will believe it?*Originally posted by @wolfgang59***Do you or do you not think that person A can discover**

a mathematical proof that is incomprehensible to person B?

If no then you think that all abstract theorems are understandable

by the whole population. I think the evidence is against this.

If yes then you can continue applying this to diminishing

populations such that eventually there is nobody else to

understand the proof. - 20 Dec '17 17:23

That's why I wondered if Terence Tao had a look. A guy with an IQ of 200+ should be able to suss it out.*Originally posted by @eladar***But who will believe it?** - 20 Dec '17 22:02 / 1 edit

Modern mathematics has become extremely specialized. (A few centuries ago,*Originally posted by @sonhouse to Eladar***That's why I wondered if Terence Tao had a look. A guy with an IQ of 200+ should be able to suss it out.**

Gauss probably could comprehend all that was worth knowing in mathematics.)

I don't know if this 'proof' falls within what Terence Tao's already familiar.

If not, then he could spend many hours just attempting to orient himself.

When I attended mathematical conferences, a frequently asked question among the

audience members (largely professors) was 'How much of that lecture did you understand?'

There's no shame in freely admitting one's ignorance.

Here's a conversation that I had with a professor:

I : Do you think it would be worthwhile to attend this afternoon's lectures?

He: Not really. It was hard to follow more beyond the outlines of this morning's lectures.

I : Oh, I see. (sigh)

He: Look, it's a nice day. Would you mind very much if I took you to see a movie instead?

I : But we are supposed to be here to attend the conference.

He: You sound like a good girl. Who's going to talk about what happens between us? - 20 Dec '17 22:14 / 1 edit

Sounds like he was interested in something outside the world of math*Originally posted by @duchess64***Modern mathematics has become extremely specialized. (A few centuries ago,**

Gauss probably could comprehend all that was worth knowing in mathematics.)

I don't know if this 'proof' falls within what Terence Tao's already familiar.

If not, then he could spend many hours just attempting to orient himself.

When I attended mathematical conferences, a fr ...[text shortened]... conference.

He: You sound like a good girl. Who's going to talk about what happens between us?

I wonder when AI will surpass humans in understanding maths? You probably heard of Alpha zero's destruction of Stockfish, wonder what it would do if taught the basics of math? - 20 Dec '17 22:37 / 1 edit

If an academic conference's set in a 'touristy' place, there's a temptation to be a (truant) tourist.*Originally posted by @sonhouse***Sounds like he was interested in something outside the world of math**

I wonder when AI will surpass humans in understanding maths? You probably heard of Alpha zero's destruction of Stockfish, wonder what it would do if taught the basics of math?

I can understand why a man could enjoy doing tourist activities more as part of a couple

(for the day) than alone. And I could be willing to go along with that as long as he can

understand and respect my limits and keep his expectations of me in check.

The mass media may have (ignorantly as usual) exaggerated Alpha Zero's achievements.

https://medium.com/@josecamachocollados/is-alphazero-really-a-scientific-breakthrough-in-ai-bf66ae1c84f2

"Is AlphaZero really a scientific breakthrough in AI?"

--Jose Camacho Collados (mathematician and chess IM)

"There are reasonable doubts about the validity of the overarching claims that arise

from a careful reading of AlphaZero’s paper."

https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2017/12/17/truth-from-zero/

"Truth From Zero?"

--Ken Regan (professor and chess IM) - 21 Dec '17 01:49

Well, did you go with him or not? Your choir of devout followers is just dying to know!*Originally posted by @duchess64***If an academic conference's set in a 'touristy' place, there's a temptation to be a (truant) tourist.**

I can understand why a man could enjoy doing tourist activities more as part of a couple

(for the day) than alone. And I could be willing to go along with that as long as he can

understand and respect my limits and keep his expectations of me in check ...[text shortened]... ess.com/2017/12/17/truth-from-zero/

"Truth From Zero?"

--Ken Regan (professor and chess IM) - 21 Dec '17 03:17

Which mathematician who won a Fields Medal has the same birthday as Lenin?*Originally posted by @joe-shmo***Well, did you go with him or not? Your choir of devout followers is just dying to know!** - 21 Dec '17 03:53

Of course not. He was a rapist.*Originally posted by @joe-shmo***Well, did you go with him or not? Your choir of devout followers is just dying to know!** - 21 Dec '17 09:03

Come again?*Originally posted by @duchess64***Which mathematician who won a Fields Medal has the same birthday as Lenin?** - 21 Dec '17 09:04 / 3 edits

Oh...So you’re saying he was white?*Originally posted by @handyandy***Of course not. He was a rapist.**