@KellyJay saidTo say that something is intelligible, to us, is not evidence that it was designed to be so by some other intelligence, much less by something transcendental.
People often focus on what confirms their existing beliefs rather than stepping back to seek what is true. If they see something true that they dislike, they have two choices. Alter their beliefs to fit reality, or make up something that can dismiss it, over the illusions they create to explain it.
Of course, we use metaphorical names to describe what we see, but we do ...[text shortened]... le. You are acknowledging only part of the universe, what we see, not what it is we are looking at.
@moonbus saidWe recognize intelligent work over something that did not require intelligent input, that simply says we are capable of grasping both. Do you think our intelligence came to us by a product of unspecified unguided processes, and if you do, do you trust it?
To say that something is intelligible, to us, is not evidence that it was designed to be so by some other intelligence, much less by something transcendental.
@KellyJay saidYes, intelligence evolved in a social context over hundreds of thousands of years. Other animals also exhibit this characteristic, though to a lesser degree.
We recognize intelligent work over something that did not require intelligent input, that simply says we are capable of grasping both. Do you think our intelligence came to us by a product of unspecified unguided processes, and if you do, do you trust it?
Do I trust it? Yes, but ... not absolutely, only relative to some specific field of discourse and subject to revision in light of further evidence. I trust epidemiologists about vaccines, not RFK Jr., for example.
@KellyJay saidSo that is your rebuttal to my missive about Trump? Ho hum, no big deal, yada yada yada, no matter WHAT abuse of power Trump does to ALL OF US.
No, the only thing I am asking of you is to produce something you alone said you had.
@moonbus saidTruth has a gravitational pull to itself that narrows the conversation to interconnected truth statements that will not contradict each other. You are introducing a non-static variable “evolutionary change” to suggest something highly precise could be the product of that!
Yes, intelligence evolved in a social context over hundreds of thousands of years. Other animals also exhibit this characteristic, though to a lesser degree.
Do I trust it? Yes, but ... not absolutely, only relative to some specific field of discourse and subject to revision in light of further evidence. I trust epidemiologists about vaccines, not RFK Jr., for example.
You cannot have variable fluctuation's in your processes that would be like instead of using a calibrated torque wrench to tighten some to proper inch pounds to handing a normal wrench to tighten it without any concern about results.
Even your process is not a matter of truth, only theory. Because of that you can claim anything about about it is true, except prove it is. You do not look at what is true that can be narrowed down with facts that support each other’s part in the process. You make up something and claim it did it.
@sonhouse saidYou made a claim about evidence for other universes, that has been my focus.
So that is your rebuttal to my missive about Trump? Ho hum, no big deal, yada yada yada, no matter WHAT abuse of power Trump does to ALL OF US.
Every thought you have is Trump is evil here is another reason why. You can see nothing outside of “Trump is Evil” no matter the subject it always goes back to Trump is evil. Everyone is judged by you in how you think they agree or disagree on that one point. You no longer have the ability to look at another person without bringing him into your calculations about Trump. You are going to go to you grave hating people because of how they respond to when you drag his name into all of your conversation.
Those who do not focus on him with evil assumptions are all flawed in your eyes. You are like a moth drawn to flames. It will kill you, we are not designed for unending hate, but love.
@KellyJay saidIn other words, for you, Trump can do whatever the hell he wants, WW3, I got a good shelter.....
You made a claim about evidence for other universes, that has been my focus.
Every thought you have is Trump is evil here is another reason why. You can see nothing outside of “Trump is Evil” no matter the subject it always goes back to Trump is evil. Everyone is judged by you in how you think they agree or disagree on that one point. You no longer have the ability t ...[text shortened]... are like a moth drawn to flames. It will kill you, we are not designed for unending hate, but love.
@sonhouse saidYou are single minded, so twisted you are unable to see anything other than he who you hate, and measure all others by their responces to your singleminded hatred.
In other words, for you, Trump can do whatever the hell he wants, WW3, I got a good shelter.....
@moonbus saidYou can not validate your intelligence claims. Such is pretty much what all of your claims boil down to. It takes something that can actually fail or show itself true when you test them, not claims about something you cannot touch or affect. You have something other than an imaginary process that cannot actually describe what changes when referring to intelligence.
Yes, intelligence evolved in a social context over hundreds of thousands of years. Other animals also exhibit this characteristic, though to a lesser degree.
Do I trust it? Yes, but ... not absolutely, only relative to some specific field of discourse and subject to revision in light of further evidence. I trust epidemiologists about vaccines, not RFK Jr., for example.
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@KellyJay saidWow, its MY fault that Trump killed CDC testing of tetanus and other diseases? Is it my fault Trump just said 'Trump's Easter post went in on the Iranians, threatening Tuesday as "Power Plant Day and Bridge day, all wrapped up in one." This on EASTER.
You are single minded, so twisted you are unable to see anything other than he who you hate, and measure all others by their responces to your singleminded hatred.
BTW, those actions are WAR CRIMES. And noting my hatred of this would be dictator as somehow forgiving Trump of his corruption, his purge of four star generals and anyone with a brain could figure out just why he would do that.
So my hatred negates ALL of the above.
Trump the 34 times CONVICTED FELON.
I guess my hatred gets him a pardon for that also.
Why don't YOU take a close look at what Trump is doing AS WE SPEAK.
For instance this: BTW, A DIRECT QUOTE.
“Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the ’ Strait, you crazy or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP.”
THIS is your president. BTW, I could not print the exact quote I just posted above, it said 'Open the FKING Strait, you crazy bastards
Hey, take a snap guess as to how foreign governments think of Trump after that post. ON EASTER.
Suppose the German Chancellor calls YOU up speaking directly to YOU as an American citizen, he says '' can you defend and still support a president who talks like that?" What do you say?
Not talking about love, hate, respect but about the DISASTER the world is thrust into because of the OBVIOUS madness of Trump.
@sonhouse saidIf you are not willing to be wrong, can you ever truly say you seek the truth? If your bias is so strong that you will defend it to the death without fail, will your bias be all you can ever know, or better said, believe? If we are always finding fault, can we ever see the good? If we are forever finding good only, can we ever see the bad? Jesus talked about things and said that those with eyes that see. How strong is our bias? How strong is your bias if, when you are so set in your ways that any disagreement seems like hate to you?
Wow, its MY fault that Trump killed CDC testing of tetanus and other diseases? Is it my fault Trump just said 'Trump's Easter post went in on the Iranians, threatening Tuesday as "Power Plant Day and Bridge day, all wrapped up in one." This on EASTER.
BTW, those actions are WAR CRIMES. And noting my hatred of this would be dictator as somehow forgiving Trump of his corru ...[text shortened]... te, respect but about the DISASTER the world is thrust into because of the OBVIOUS madness of Trump.
@KellyJay saidOH, you mean I am totally wrong, Trump is just a misunderstood nice guy.
If you are not willing to be wrong, can you ever truly say you seek the truth? If your bias is so strong that you will defend it to the death without fail, will your bias be all you can ever know, or better said, believe? If we are always finding fault, can we ever see the good? If we are forever finding good only, can we ever see the bad? Jesus talked about things and s ...[text shortened]... rong is your bias if, when you are so set in your ways that any disagreement seems like hate to you?
So tell me what that meant, his last statement, wants to LITERALLY commit war crimes which it is if you start bombing power plants. Putin would be under arrest for war crimes, he did that for real.
Trump is just talk, and no doubt will TACO this one back also.
For you to say ZERO about that situation means you are as culpable as Trump.
@sonhouse saidYou will be blind to everything not related to hating Trump.
OH, you mean I am totally wrong, Trump is just a misunderstood nice guy.
So tell me what that meant, his last statement, wants to LITERALLY commit war crimes which it is if you start bombing power plants. Putin would be under arrest for war crimes, he did that for real.
Trump is just talk, and no doubt will TACO this one back also.
For you to say ZERO about that situation means you are as culpable as Trump.