All eyes evolved from a common ancestor!

Originally posted by KellyJay
Look at the text, was it me or you that first brought up Noah, look
at the text was it me or another that brought up creation? You do not
seem to be able to stay on topic, and simply having me here is
enough for you to go off on the deep end, even when I don't bring
up spiritual matters, you do!
Kelly

I rather take this discussion in the Spiritual Forum.
See you there - if you dare.

I've opened a new Thread 108092 with the name "KellyJay and his dinosaurs". You are invited to join the thread!

Originally posted by KellyJay
Another here claims the octopus's eye creates issues for a design, but
I have yet to see a reason for that presented that makes sense. If
we accept our bodies do change over time due to the environment and
others factors, why would it be hard to accept that even if both
eyes were at one point the same, one changed over time and got
worse while another ken place over time, for the reasons they claim have
occurred, it is nearly laughable.
Kelly

So what exactly are you arguing? Either you believe in an intelligent designer or you don´t. Really you have to make up your mind.

It is simply too large a phenotypic shift for vertebrate eyes to become worse than octopus eyes in this way. The retina has to shift from behind the optic nerves to in front of them. The eye is a major piece of equipment, selection pressure are not going to allow a major piece of restructuring like that unless there is a clear advantage to having the nerves on the outside. While it might happen in a species or two degenerative changes of this order are not going to occur in an entire sub-phylum.

Although frankly there´s not much point in me arguing this as you´ll just pick out some other tiny thing to argue on. You have failed to respond to my argument on substance from earlier. If you want to debate here do so, but please leave sophistry in the religion forums where it belongs.

Edits: spelling 😞

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I rather take this discussion in the Spiritual Forum.
See you there - if you dare.

I've opened a new Thread 108092 with the name "KellyJay and his dinosaurs". You are invited to join the thread!

Negative; you started this conversation first over here, so Kelly Jay can stay here allright😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Negative; you started this conversation first over here, so Kelly Jay can stay here allright😵

As long he stays on topic and want to discuss Science stuff and not religious stuff, then he is as welcome as any others.

Remember who mentioned the "Designer"-word first. This "D-word" is not science, unless he shows that it really is science. He advocate an "Intelligent design"-theory and that it is a part of his creational religion. I.e. Not science.

In fact KellyJay is the most anti-science individual on RHP. The Spiritual Forum would be his perfect waters, but he enjoys to stay at the Science Forum, in order to bring disorder into it.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
As long he stays on topic and want to discuss Science stuff and not religious stuff, then he is as welcome as any others.

Remember who mentioned the "Designer"-word first. This "D-word" is not science, unless he shows that it really is science. He advocate an "Intelligent design"-theory and that it is a part of his creational religion. I.e. Not science ...[text shortened]... ct waters, but he enjoys to stay at the Science Forum, in order to bring disorder into it.

😵

Originally posted by FabianFnas
As long he stays on topic and want to discuss Science stuff and not religious stuff, then he is as welcome as any others.

Remember who mentioned the "Designer"-word first. This "D-word" is not science, unless he shows that it really is science. He advocate an "Intelligent design"-theory and that it is a part of his creational religion. I.e. Not science ...[text shortened]... ct waters, but he enjoys to stay at the Science Forum, in order to bring disorder into it.

Now I will share with you the Ultimate Truth, the word of black beetle, the Truth that springs deep down from my darkest blackbeetlity: Kelly Jay is a regular here jus coz he loves you, my Fabianist Gota Enemy😵

Originally posted by DeepThought
So what exactly are you arguing? Either you believe in an intelligent designer or you don´t. Really you have to make up your mind.

It is simply too large a phenotypic shift for vertebrate eyes to become worse than octopus eyes in this way. The retina has to shift from behind the optic nerves to in front of them. The eye is a major piece of equipme ...[text shortened]... do so, but please leave sophistry in the religion forums where it belongs.

Edits: spelling 😞

Let us review if you will, I asked this.

"Just so I know, how do you know it isn't because of a common design
and not a common ancestor?
Kelly"

I wasn't asking anything other than what was quoted, from that
one question "Noah's ark" gets brought up, another post in the
Spiritual forum gets started by Fabianfnas with my name in it about
something I didn't say whatsoever and you instead of answering
this question are now harping as if I told you ID was what I
believed in. In fact, I asked how do you know a common ancestor
from a common design? You want me to make up my mind, and yet
you cannot see the question right in front of you!? I'd say if you
limit our exchanges to just those words I choose to you, and I do
the same to you we may have a discussion. If you insist upon
making up my arguments for me and cry when I don't play along,
we will not have a discussion.
Kelly

Originally posted by FabianFnas
As long he stays on topic and want to discuss Science stuff and not religious stuff, then he is as welcome as any others.

Remember who mentioned the "Designer"-word first. This "D-word" is not science, unless he shows that it really is science. He advocate an "Intelligent design"-theory and that it is a part of his creational religion. I.e. Not science ...[text shortened]... ct waters, but he enjoys to stay at the Science Forum, in order to bring disorder into it.

You are saying when we design drugs, CPU, cars, airplanes, trucks,
and so on science has nothing to do with that?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are saying when we design drugs, CPU, cars, airplanes, trucks,
and so on science has nothing to do with that?
Kelly

You're imaginating things. When did I say somthing like that?
Give me a ref or a quote or else I will call you a liar.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
You're imaginating things. When did I say somthing like that?
Give me a ref or a quote or else I will call you a liar.

You two sound like an old married couple. 🙂

Originally posted by PBE6
You two sound like an old married couple. 🙂

You mean KellyJay is gay? Oh, I didn't know that! 🙂

Originally posted by FabianFnas
You're imaginating things. When did I say somthing like that?
Give me a ref or a quote or else I will call you a liar.

"Remember who mentioned the "Designer"-word first. This "D-word" is not science, unless he shows that it really is science."

These words are yours are they not?
Kelly

Originally posted by FabianFnas
You mean KellyJay is gay? Oh, I didn't know that! 🙂

Your crossing a line here. Its bad enough you cannot read what is
in front of you but instead make things up to go along with your
prejudice, but this is type of name calling will stop now.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Your crossing a line here. Its bad enough you cannot read what is
in front of you but instead make things up to go along with your
prejudice, but this is type of name calling will stop now.
Kelly

I didn't suggest it, I just responded to PBE6's posting: "You two sound like an old married couple. 🙂 "
My comment was only following his. Don't kill the messenger. 🙂

But seriously, nudge nudge? 🙂

By the way, you do insult people yourself, don't you?

Originally posted by KellyJay
"Remember who mentioned the "Designer"-word first. This "D-word" is not science, unless he shows that it really is science."

These words are yours are they not?
Kelly

Read your own postings. Start from the beginning of this thread. You are very eager to go off-topic.

(And don't start sounding like we are an old married couple, people may wonder... 🙂 ) Note MrSmiley meaning that this is a joke.