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    26 Jul '08 21:26
    http://www.physorg.com/news136046124.html
    The US government must know all about this but I bet the religious right wants it just like that so they double their efforts to get back to a total theocracy, give up the world, get a country with its head up its collective asss.
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    26 Jul '08 21:431 edit
    In those countries where creationism is taught as facts and science, the real science is slipping away. US has attracted scientists from all over the world, where will the real scientists in US go to so they can continue scientific research for humankind? A great nation that once went to the Moon to plant a flag is now going to Mars to plant a bible...
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    26 Jul '08 22:59
    Yup. The US used to be the destination for good scientists where they would be funded and supported.

    Now we have to worry about "teaching the controversy" and the like.

    Globalization is a force that we're not going to be able to retreat from and we'll have to compete.
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    26 Jul '08 23:08
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    Yup. The US used to be the destination for good scientists where they would be funded and supported.

    Now we have to worry about "teaching the controversy" and the like.

    Globalization is a force that we're not going to be able to retreat from and we'll have to compete.
    Don't worry. I just got accepted to grad school to get my Master's in Education so I can teach physical science. I'll solve this.
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    27 Jul '08 08:39
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Don't worry. I just got accepted to grad school to get my Master's in Education so I can teach physical science. I'll solve this.
    Congratulations and kudo's for you if you do that. But the reality is there has to be about a million just like you to turn the tide. You may convert a few hundred kids max and that is certainly a start but look at the total asssholes in the midwest trying to do the opposite.
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    When I was a young boy I learnt that there was a Santa Claus, Tooth Ferry, Boogey Man, Holy Spirit and such. But when I began school my teacher told me otherwise. The Hold Spirit I had more difficulties with, the church continued to give me false information.

    Now I am grown up and now I know for sure that observations and science goes hand in hand.

    What would happen if I in the age of 10 years was taught by school that science is wrong? That all there is to know about physics was to be read in a black book with thin pages and old language? And not only thought but my entire future was dependant of that I believed this false facts? Was it possible to enter college, high school, university, with the information that the rainbow was could not be understood without the book of genesis?

    With such knowledge from the entire school hood, could it be possible to work as an engineer and plan a mission to Mars? I don't think so.

    So from the age of ten, I think 6 years of false teaching will ruin my entire chance of being of any help bringing people to Mars, construct fusion nuclear plants, even building a suspension bridge. "With the help of god it will hold. If not, it's because of our collective sin.".

    Six year of intelligence destruction and a young boys chances is ruined. Only one generation from now with creationism ideas taught from school and USA will have no future engineers, physicists, chemists, well all technology we have now and its future extrapolation will be forever lost. Satan laughs.

    The school system will be lost in a very short period of time. Goodbye Mars. Goodbye fusuin. Goodbye with our civilization as we know it.

    Now I sound pessimistic! I hope and pray (?) that science will protect itself!
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    27 Jul '08 17:18
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Don't worry. I just got accepted to grad school to get my Master's in Education so I can teach physical science. I'll solve this.
    Congrats! I know one more teacher with a good understanding of science will help!
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    27 Jul '08 18:581 edit
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Congratulations and kudo's for you if you do that. But the reality is there has to be about a million just like you to turn the tide. You may convert a few hundred kids max and that is certainly a start but look at the total asssholes in the midwest trying to do the opposite.
    Yeah, but I have reality on my side!
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    27 Jul '08 23:15
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Yeah, but I have reality on my side!
    give 'em hell!
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    28 Jul '08 00:42
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    give 'em hell!
    I'll let the fundies do that. I'm going to be a rebel. Instead of teaching idiocy, like the Christian Right does, or Socialism, like the Christian Left does, I'm going to teach them...

    ...science.
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    28 Jul '08 03:12
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I'll let the fundies do that. I'm going to be a rebel. Instead of teaching idiocy, like the Christian Right does, or Socialism, like the Christian Left does, I'm going to teach them...

    ...science.
    What a novel thought...
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    28 Jul '08 18:12
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    http://www.physorg.com/news136046124.html
    The US government must know all about this but I bet the religious right wants it just like that so they double their efforts to get back to a total theocracy, give up the world, get a country with its head up its collective asss.
    Your assertions were...eye opening. Just to allay your fears, there has never been a "total theocracy" in the United States. In fact, the article is about the rest of the world catching up to the United States because of a massive investment of funds elsewhere that will result in regional science hubs, which just might be better for science. I could have missed it, but I didn't see anything mentioned about members of the religious right setting up America to fail so that they can dominate "...a country with its head up its collective asss (sic)."
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    28 Jul '08 18:45
    Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
    Your assertions were...eye opening. Just to allay your fears, there has never been a "total theocracy" in the United States. In fact, the article is about the rest of the world catching up to the United States because of a massive investment of funds elsewhere that will result in regional science hubs, which just might be better for science. I co ...[text shortened]... o fail so that they can dominate "...a country with its head up its collective asss (sic)."
    You haven't noticed the religious right ringers in the midwest with the newest antiscience agenda, dropping the term ID or creationism and instead pushing it under the aegis of 'academic freedom'? This time its much harder to defeat and if it catches on you can be sure most of the other religious right states will follow suit. A theocracy would suit them just fine.
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    Originally posted by sonhouse
    You haven't noticed the religious right ringers in the midwest with the newest antiscience agenda, dropping the term ID or creationism and instead pushing it under the aegis of 'academic freedom'? This time its much harder to defeat and if it catches on you can be sure most of the other religious right states will follow suit. A theocracy would suit them just fine.
    Have you ever been to the American Midwest? They don't have cable TV out there, so they have to invent these weird religious cults to keep from going nuts.
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    05 Aug '08 20:271 edit
    Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
    Have you ever been to the American Midwest? They don't have cable TV out there, so they have to invent these weird religious cults to keep from going nuts.
    What makes you say that? Of course they have cable, I worked in Toledo for months and I can assure you they have cable. If not cable then satellite direct tv for sure.
    They might be snake worshipers and such but having or not having cable would not effect them much. The thing to ask is whether they have TV at all, forget cable.
    My main point is these religious 'cults' are in fact what is driving them nuts.
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