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Originally posted by @sonhouseand, sadly, way more than 15 MILLION morons will ignore it.
15 THOUSAND scientists issuing this warning.
Originally posted by @sonhouseand, sadly, way more than 15 MILLION morons will ignore it.
15 THOUSAND scientists issuing this warning.
Originally posted by @sonhouseThey would just switch to natural gas which is carbon light for a fossil fuel. ExxonMobile would profit from that. Your faith that people would switch to renewables is silly. Predictions like that are very unreliable.
I think you need to study economics a bit more. If the carbon tax was passed on to the consumer there would be more likely a LOSS of profit because people would find other means for heating, like geo thermal, solar, wind and the like. I don't know how much the carbon tax would be if added to the price of natural gas but suppose it increases the consumer co ...[text shortened]... r a while but people would catch on especially in light of the bad press such a move would make.
Originally posted by @black-beetle"did I ask you to provide me something else?"
Seriously?
When you posted earlier:
"Below is an article that Fred Singer wrote a comment below it. It will give you an idea how biased the alarmists are:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v478/n7370/full/478428a.html "
did I ask you to provide me something else?
You appear to conclude that, as regards your interlocutors, a link is all on ...[text shortened]... u see me the way you see humy and wildgrass, kindly please feel free to reply not to this post😵
Originally posted by @sonhouseScientists are not climate scientists. Uninformed opinions do not mean much. More irrelevance from you again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/11/13/thousands-of-scientists-issue-bleak-second-notice-to-humanity/?utm_term=.0141ecfa385b
15 THOUSAND scientists issuing this warning.
Originally posted by @metal-brainGee, I wonder what climate scientists have to say about the climate.
Scientists are not climate scientists. Uninformed opinions do not mean much. More irrelevance from you again.
Originally posted by @wildgrassI read it. You apparently read only what you wanted to while ignoring what you didn't want to accept. I can see that some people speculated as to why the poll numbers changed over time by saying oil companies "may" have increased skepticism by funding climate skeptics. MAY? My chickens "may" be able to count. That doesn't mean they can, but I'm sure you will believe what you want to believe regardless of facts.
Biased either way? You clearly don't read stuff before you post the links. black beetle and I both read it, and we don't think it says what you think it says. The majority of respondents selected "Comply with Kyoto" as their logical frame. A direct quote from your reference: "there seems to be consensus that anthropogenic climate change presents a profoun ...[text shortened]... ge".
Please reiterate how you interpret the major conclusions of that study. Did you read it?
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraMe too. A fair poll of climate scientists is long overdue.
Gee, I wonder what climate scientists have to say about the climate.
Originally posted by @metal-brainI asked you to reiterate the major conclusions (in your own words), not cut and paste the whole article. We know where the link is. Does this research help prove your point, or are you just trying to muddy the water with irrelevant social science?
I read it. You apparently read only what you wanted to while ignoring what you didn't want to accept. I can see that some people speculated as to why the poll numbers changed over time by saying oil companies "may" have increased skepticism by funding climate skeptics. MAY? My chickens "may" be able to count. That doesn't mean they can, but I'm sure you ...[text shortened]... s something significant if you wish, but if starts with the word "may" it proves nothing at all.
Originally posted by @wildgrassI didn't copy and paste the whole article, just the important parts you failed to read or dismissed. Now the conclusions are clear to you so you can let go of your denial. If there are specific flaws you would like to point out go ahead and do that. Don't falsely claim I didn't read the article in an attempt to not be specific.
I asked you to reiterate the major conclusions (in your own words), not cut and paste the whole article. We know where the link is. Does this research help prove your point, or are you just trying to muddy the water with irrelevant social science?
Originally posted by @metal-brainWhat are the conclusions?
I didn't copy and paste the whole article, just the important parts you failed to read or dismissed. Now the conclusions are clear to you so you can let go of your denial. If there are specific flaws you would like to point out go ahead and do that. Don't falsely claim I didn't read the article in an attempt to not be specific.
I'm fine with you comparing the poll I posted to the others on this thread. Give it your best effort.
Originally posted by @wildgrassI showed you. You can't do basic math?
What are the conclusions?
Originally posted by @metal-brainI would like to see where the data concurs with your thesis. I don't see it in the article, and I don't see it in your paragraphs of block text. These paragraphs are descriptions of how people feel about the issue. It seems to completely skirt all scientific evidence. Where does it discuss the validity of a scientific consensus on causes of global warming? In your mind, what does this sociology study demonstrate?
I showed you. You can't do basic math?
Why are you evading my questions? Don't want to admit you are wrong again?
Originally posted by @wildgrassOnly 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis. That is the conclusion of the poll.
I would like to see where the data concurs with your thesis. I don't see it in the article, and I don't see it in your paragraphs of block text. These paragraphs are descriptions of how people feel about the issue. It seems to completely skirt all scientific evidence. Where does it discuss the validity of a scientific consensus on causes of global warming ...[text shortened]... hout that, this article and your question are irrelevant. You should be able to provide a recap.
Originally posted by @metal-brainNo, I'm not going to point that out. This study isn't interested in whether a scientific consensus exists or not. This study is interested in policy. I am going to point out (again) that "Comply with Kyoto" is the largest group of respondents. This study does not ask data-driven question, instead dividing everyone into 6 groups based on "feelings" rather than science. At least one of these groups (economic responsibility) is indifferent when it comes to anthropogenic causes.
I suppose you are going to point out some excerpts from the article using words like "may" or "could".
Originally posted by @metal-brainNo single survey is ever going to ask "all" climate scientists their opinion about anything.
Me too. A fair poll of climate scientists is long overdue.
The fact is you don't know what they have to say until you or someone else asks them. All of them!