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  1. 20 Jun '08 11:39
    Where did the matters come from that created BigBang?

    Feel free to speculate. Religious explanations not permitted.
  2. 20 Jun '08 15:51
    It could simply be a prior universe that collapsed - so all the matter collapsed into a singularity and then something made it unstable and caused it to expand again.

    There could have been a whole other universe and even life that happened even before this universe ever existed.
  3. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    20 Jun '08 16:36
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    It could simply be a prior universe that collapsed - so all the matter collapsed into a singularity and then something made it unstable and caused it to expand again.

    There could have been a whole other universe and even life that happened even before this universe ever existed.
    The latest thinking goes our whole universe would just be a pimple on the REAL universe and ours popped out of the bigger one where you could consider us to be on the inside of a black hole that was from the bigger universe, in fact maybe a whole string of universes, each one popping its little black holes, forming universes ad nauseum My take on it is this: the matter in our universe came not from some kind of soda straw sucking matter from that bigger universe and filling ours, I think it was during the collapse phase of the black hole that turned into us, it was the background INFORMATION about what makes matter that got sent through. Information has very little mass, and it would be more like the instruction manual on how to take pure energy and start it condensing into the various forms of matter and mystery stuff we find all around us today. You know of course, the stuff we are made of is a definite minority, like big time minority, for every atom of us there are 20 atoms of the mystery stuff floating around, which was good because the extra mass of that dark matter and dark energy whatever it is, it still has a gravitational field associated with it, so the little 5 percent scum of us kind of atoms floating in a huge cloud of the stuff, caused our kind of stuff to collapse together a lot faster than it would have without the super fluff that is the majority of the stuff in the universe. Handy, that. They say also the gravitational field of the first super black holes also brought together material to make the first galaxies, all of the galaxies located in big weblike threads like dew on a spiderweb. They think the threads were flaws in spacetime that had incredibly powerful gravity fields also. What a magnificent beast our universe is. And to think, it might be just one of googleplexes of other universes. If that is somehow shown to be true, wouldn't that be a kick in the butt to the religious set, first shock for them was when the earth was found not to be the center of the universe, then it was our SUN that had to be the center of all things, Then, nope the sun is just one of many. So then our Galaxy was the center of all things, Nope, the galaxy is just one of billions just like it. And now we maybe are finding the UNIVERSE is not the center of the universe That would have to put a kink in their dogma, eh!
  4. Standard member scottishinnz
    Kichigai!
    20 Jun '08 16:45
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Where did the matters come from that created BigBang?

    Feel free to speculate. Religious explanations not permitted.
    Who says it had to come from somewhere?
  5. Standard member scottishinnz
    Kichigai!
    20 Jun '08 16:48
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    That would have to put a kink in their dogma, eh!
    You are waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy too optimistic sometimes.....
  6. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    21 Jun '08 12:46
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    You are waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy too optimistic sometimes.....
    One can dream, can't one?
  7. 21 Jun '08 21:42
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Where did the matters come from that created BigBang?

    Feel free to speculate. Religious explanations not permitted.
    An alternate universe? A parallel universe?

    The one I like best is the one I don't understand. On one of those shows on the science channel it was suggested that the universe might have experienced a series of big bangs. As I follow it, a universe expands then finally dies in a "Big Crunch". It collapses to a little itty bitty dot, the explades again in another big bang, and the whole thing plays out again.
    But then, there had to be a "first big bang/crunch", right? Because time is infinite in both directions?
  8. Standard member Thequ1ck
    Fast above
    22 Jun '08 08:49
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Where did the matters come from that created BigBang?

    Feel free to speculate. Religious explanations not permitted.
    Does it matter unless it is observed?

    How much observed matter is there out there I wonder and what is the nature
    of unobserved matter?
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Do ya think?
    23 Jun '08 14:01
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Where did the matters come from that created BigBang?

    Feel free to speculate. Religious explanations not permitted.
    It probably always existed.
  10. 25 Jun '08 12:30
    Matter does not exist so asking where it came from is an irrelevance.
  11. 25 Jun '08 12:50
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Where did the matters come from that created BigBang?

    Feel free to speculate. Religious explanations not permitted.
    You must first settle the questions:
    Did matter come from somewhere?
    Did matter need to come from somewhere?
    Did time start at the big bang (rendering the phrase 'come from' not applicable).
    Are you really talking about energy in all its forms or specifically matter?

    And lastly, matter did not 'create the big bang'.
    The Big bang is the name we give to the very early stages of the expansion of space. I don't know whether the hypothesised singularity at the beginning of it is normally included.
  12. 25 Jun '08 19:56
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Where did the matters come from that created BigBang?

    Feel free to speculate. Religious explanations not permitted.
    "Where did the matter come from for the big bang?..."

    A better question would be:

    “Where did the energy come from for the big bang?”

    That is because according to the big bang theory, at first there was no mater!
    But, there was energy and that energy was then later converted to mater in a way consistent with the equation E = mc^2.
    So at least where the mater came from is explained but where the energy came from to make that mater is much less obvious.