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https://phys.org/news/2025-06-chatgpt-essays-eroding-critical-skills.html
It makes sense, give up your own ability to make some kind of essay and let AI do it for you, what have you gained in terms of being able to duplicate that essay or learning how to do others using your own cognitive abilities.
Just like a dude who rides bicycles every day say to work VS a dude who does the same miles on his motorcycle, which one will have the stronger and more endurance in leg muscles after a year of that kind of exercise?
You don't use it, you LOSE it.
Like how we for the most part use cars to get to work when 200 years ago you were lucky to have a horse even but usually having to walk.
So some world wide catastrophe happens and you can't even figure out how to ride a HORSE if they are available.
I guess you could say that is part of the price of technology, eh.
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@sonhouse saidWell, that began when people stop thinking for themselves, leave it to the experts. This is just one more step down the path of not thinking things through, it is just believe what you are told, we know you don't.
https://phys.org/news/2025-06-chatgpt-essays-eroding-critical-skills.html
It makes sense, give up your own ability to make some kind of essay and let AI do it for you, what have you gained in terms of being able to duplicate that essay or learning how to do others using your own cognitive abilities.
Just like a dude who rides bicycles every day say to work VS a dude w ...[text shortened]... a HORSE if they are available.
I guess you could say that is part of the price of technology, eh.
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@sonhouse saidThe race to the bottom is paved with technological advances. 45 years ago, I knew by heart the addresses, including postal codes, of about 20 people with whom I frequently corresponded. Now that my iPhone knows everyone’s addresses, I can remember only about two of them.
https://phys.org/news/2025-06-chatgpt-essays-eroding-critical-skills.html
It makes sense, give up your own ability to make some kind of essay and let AI do it for you, what have you gained in terms of being able to duplicate that essay or learning how to do others using your own cognitive abilities.
Just like a dude who rides bicycles every day say to work VS a dude w ...[text shortened]... a HORSE if they are available.
I guess you could say that is part of the price of technology, eh.
@KellyJay saidSo for you, stop listening to experts who got that way because you can't be an expert? What the HELL do you think experts are for and how they got that way?
Well, that began when people stop thinking for themselves, leave it to the experts. This is just one more step down the path of not thinking things through, it is just believe what you are told, we know you don't.
What, you think they just stood up and pronounced themselves as experts with nothing to back them up?
If a dude says hey, you should not be lighting fires in your living room, it can set the house afire and you go, what the hell do you know? You think you are an EXPERT or something?
@sonhouse saidYou should listen to them but never turn off your brain. If you want to just accept whatever someone says because they say it, be my guest.
So for you, stop listening to experts who got that way because you can't be an expert? What the HELL do you think experts are for and how they got that way?
What, you think they just stood up and pronounced themselves as experts with nothing to back them up?
If a dude says hey, you should not be lighting fires in your living room, it can set the house afire and you go, what the hell do you know? You think you are an EXPERT or something?
@KellyJay saidNo, I believe someone who puts out supporting evidence for their thesis and THEN I go, sounds good, lets see what OTHER experts say too.
You should listen to them but never turn off your brain. If you want to just accept whatever someone says because they say it, be my guest.
I guess you figure I am SO stupid I just believe ANYONE who CALLS himself an expert, like TRUMP, he is a STABLE GENIUS, just ask him, he will tell you.
An expert on EVERYTHING.
Scary poor analysis there. Culpability comes with knowing and intelligence is dangerous, so choose stupidity. This reminds me of the apologist's trap, where to remove the ignorance of some hedonic persons can bring their damnation.
The researchers are doing a categorical study, interpreting it 'may cause' that, as is given with these tests it doesn't mean there's an association here and must qualify only evidence of such. 54 random ppl eager to hook their brain up is what I'm reading.
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@Of-Ants-and-Imps saidMy analysis is scary poor? Can you elucidate that a bit more?
Scary poor analysis there. Culpability comes with knowing and intelligence is dangerous, so choose stupidity. This reminds me of the apologist's trap, where to remove the ignorance of some hedonic persons can bring their damnation.
The researchers are doing a categorical study, interpreting it 'may cause' that, as is given with these tests it doesn't mean there's ...[text shortened]... must qualify only evidence of such. 54 random ppl eager to hook their brain up is what I'm reading.
To me it's a matter of trust but verify. When Einstein said light passing close to the sun will be deflected by 1.75 arc seconds, Eddington said, lets get some equipment in line to measure this during a solar eclipse and damn, big al was right😉
THEN the world believed Einstein.
@sonhouse
I'd not recommend the idea of a complex brain - mind function likened to muscle - mechanical skills. I haven't read the original cited work, though my level guess tells me this is less of an experiment, than cash-grab contest.
@Of-Ants-and-Imps saidNot sure what you are talking about here.
@sonhouse
I'd not recommend the idea of a complex brain - mind function likened to muscle - mechanical skills. I haven't read the original cited work, though my level guess tells me this is less of an experiment, than cash-grab contest.
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@Of-Ants-and-Imps saidYou don't understand the real problem here.
I'm on a level, my mind's open. Abstract type essays shouldn't rely on AI but it can help.
Relying on AI to do your work, say you are a pro writer with a bevy of books already sold and then you get an AI to do your work for you, you bask in glory with those new books and then a few years later you want to go back to writing for yourself and now you find you have lost the ability to tell stories you used to have effortlessly but your bout with AI has fuddled your previous talent for writing.
The same would go for dudes who are say pro musicians, got records, record contracts and such, basking in glory then your next record comes from AI writing your songs.
Things go swimmingly for you and you lay back in your new expensive mansion dipping your feet into your new heart shaped swimming pool and life goes on, then a couple years later you want to do it yourself again, go to the recording studio finding out your muse has departed, you got NOTHING, no new song pops up like it used to.
THAT is what I am talking about when you start to depend on AI to do the work you used to do well.
I am NOT railing against AI in general, there is a story out about a high school kid really good at AI figured out how AI could read the data running into BILLIONS of bits of data on astronomical photos stored by NASA.
That kid saw he could use AI to discover stuff professional astronomers missed by a far, literally a MILLION new objects teased out of the same data set used by professionals.
THAT is a GREAT use of AI.
AS A TOOL, not to replace one's own talent.
Like I said, you don't use it, you LOSE it.
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@sonhouse saidHere's a good use of AI:
You don't understand the real problem here.
Relying on AI to do your work, say you are a pro writer with a bevy of books already sold and then you get an AI to do your work for you, you bask in glory with those new books and then a few years later you want to go back to writing for yourself and now you find you have lost the ability to tell stories you used to have effortle ...[text shortened]... use of AI.
AS A TOOL, not to replace one's own talent.
Like I said, you don't use it, you LOSE it.
https://www.debunkbot.com
A bit about it here:
https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/mit-study-ai-chatbot-can-reduce-belief-conspiracy-theories
The upshot:
The artificial intelligence-powered “DebunkBot” reduced individuals’ beliefs in conspiracy theories and lessened their conspiratorial mindset, according to a new study.
@Soothfast saidI NEVER said AI is bad, I said it was people relying on AI to do their CREATIVE works makes their brain lose its previous creative power or greatly reduce the talent they used to have.
Here's a good use of AI:
https://www.debunkbot.com
A bit about it here:
https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/mit-study-ai-chatbot-can-reduce-belief-conspiracy-theories
The upshot:The artificial intelligence-powered “DebunkBot” reduced individuals’ beliefs in conspiracy theories and lessened their conspiratorial mindset, according to a new study.
A TOTALLY different issue than the utility of AI in general.
@sonhouse saidYou had said AI has some good uses. My post was merely intended to give an example.
I NEVER said AI is bad, I said it was people relying on AI to do their CREATIVE works makes their brain lose its previous creative power or greatly reduce the talent they used to have.
A TOTALLY different issue than the utility of AI in general.