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  1. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    10 Mar '14 14:03
    Ann Druyan doing the reboot with Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

    Great show! I learned about Bruno who was burned at the stake for daring to suggest the Earth spun around the sun and not vice versa, and Lucretius, a poet philospher from a few decades BC who talked about atoms and Earth spinning round the sun and such. Great graphics on that new version.

    Learned a bit about Carl Sagan, he made a lot more discoveries than I thought. I thought his big claim to fame was the prediction that Venus was around 900 degrees F but he did a lot more than that. Great man.
  2. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    11 Mar '14 00:52
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Ann Druyan doing the reboot with Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

    Great show! I learned about Bruno who was burned at the stake for daring to suggest the Earth spun around the sun and not vice versa, and Lucretius, a poet philospher from a few decades BC who talked about atoms and Earth spinning round the sun and such. Great graphics on that new version.

    Learned ...[text shortened]... s the prediction that Venus was around 900 degrees F but he did a lot more than that. Great man.
    It's off to an auspicious start. Not sure I'll like the music as much, but the graphics are certainly excellent.
  3. 11 Mar '14 06:31
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Ann Druyan doing the reboot with Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

    Great show! I learned about Bruno who was burned at the stake for daring to suggest the Earth spun around the sun and not vice versa, and Lucretius, a poet philospher from a few decades BC who talked about atoms and Earth spinning round the sun and such. Great graphics on that new version.

    Learned ...[text shortened]... s the prediction that Venus was around 900 degrees F but he did a lot more than that. Great man.
    It seemed to start out with more on the religion/science conflict than the original, but (a) memory fails me and (b) it is not a bad thing.
  4. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    11 Mar '14 10:32
    Originally posted by JS357
    It seemed to start out with more on the religion/science conflict than the original, but (a) memory fails me and (b) it is not a bad thing.
    It was there in the original but more subtle. The tale about Bruno was pretty obvious.
  5. Standard member woodypusher
    misanthrope
    11 Mar '14 20:40
    I recorded it. Haven't had the chance to watch it yet. I was a big fan of the old Sagan series. I enjoy the astronomy programs like The Universe, Through the Wormhole, Stephen Hawking's Universe, etc.
  6. 12 Mar '14 03:27
    I thought it was great, but also expected to. Didn't know Ann Druyan was involved, was pleased to see that.
  7. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    12 Mar '14 05:41
    http://thonyc.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/where-does-the-adbc-dating-convention-come-from/

    I was already on record as expressing scepticism about Neil deGrasse Tyson’s forthcoming Cosmos television series, as I view his knowledge of the history of science as at least as bad if not worse than Carl Sagan’s was and that was pretty terrible...

    Yesterday evening my Twitter stream was full of people wondering what I would have thought of N dG T’s elevation of Giordano Bruno to the status of a great scientific thinker. Fortunately I can’t view Cosmos here in Germany and so I was spared this particular piece of history of science inanity
  8. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    12 Mar '14 11:05 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    http://thonyc.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/where-does-the-adbc-dating-convention-come-from/

    I was already on record as expressing scepticism about Neil deGrasse Tyson’s forthcoming Cosmos television series, as I view his knowledge of the history of science as at least as bad if not worse than Carl Sagan’s was and that was pretty terrible...

    Yes ...[text shortened]... ere in Germany and so I was spared this particular piece of history of science inanity
    How can someone make such criticisms without watching the show? If they had, they would have found out they SAID he was not a scientific thinker, only working on intuition.

    There was no elevation to the level of Aristotle or some such by Tyson.

    He was represented as just an early person who thought the world was not as represented by the church of the day, where you get burned at the stake for not believing the Earth to be the center of the universe.

    Tyson even said Bruno was really stupid to have ever gone back to Italy in the first place.

    Any show on science will have naysayers, that goes without saying, even though I just said it
  9. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    12 Mar '14 13:16
    Did you really learn this:

    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Great show! I learned about Bruno who was burned at the stake for daring to suggest the Earth spun around the sun and not vice versa

    from the new episode of Cosmos?

    If you did then Cosmos taught you wrong because that's not what burned Bruno at the stake.

    Also the criticism of the show isn't on its science but on its history of science which just as bad (if not worse) than the history of Science that was present in the original show.

    But that's very normal. When you have regular scientists talking about the history of science they just say crap.

    PS: I'll try to the see episode online and then get back at you.
  10. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    12 Mar '14 14:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Did you really learn this:

    Originally posted by sonhouse
    [b]Great show! I learned about Bruno who was burned at the stake for daring to suggest the Earth spun around the sun and not vice versa


    from the new episode of Cosmos?

    If you did then Cosmos taught you wrong because that's not what burned Bruno at the stake.

    Also the critic ...[text shortened]... science they just say crap.

    PS: I'll try to the see episode online and then get back at you.[/b]
    What is your version of what burned Bruno's ass? This Wiki seems to say the same thing Tyson was saying:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
  11. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    12 Mar '14 15:50
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    What is your version of what burned Bruno's ass? This Wiki seems to say the same thing Tyson was saying:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
    No my version, but the version of any serious scholar. What burned Bruno's ass was (as you can see in the following link: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/giordano-bruno-cosmos-heretic-scientist)

    But the truth is that Bruno's scientific theories weren't what got him killed. Sure, his refusal to recant his belief in a plurality of worlds contributed to his sentence. But it's important to note that the Catholic Church didn't even have an official position on the heliocentric universe in 1600, and support for it was not considered heresy during Bruno's trial.

    On top of that, his support for Copernican cosmology was the least heretical position he propagated. His opinions on theology were far more pyrotechnic. For example, Bruno had the balls to suggest that Satan was destined to be saved and redeemed by God. He didn't think Jesus was the son of God, but rather “an unusually skilled magician.” He even publicly disputed Mary's virginity.


    There is a serious uproar of real scholars of history of science about the representation of Giordano Bruno in Cosmos and if you search on the web you'll find plenty of examples refuting the nonsense and inanity that was said.

    Again: the original Cosmos also had a lot of awful "facts" about the history of science.
  12. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    12 Mar '14 16:19
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    No my version, but the version of any serious scholar. What burned Bruno's ass was (as you can see in the following link: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/giordano-bruno-cosmos-heretic-scientist)

    [quote]But the truth is that Bruno's scientific theories weren't what got him killed. Sure, his refusal to recant his belief in a plurality of worlds contri ...[text shortened]... aid.

    Again: the original Cosmos also had a lot of awful "facts" about the history of science.
    Thanks for showing that. I wonder if Tyson has seen all this uproar?
  13. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    12 Mar '14 19:47
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    http://thonyc.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/where-does-the-adbc-dating-convention-come-from/

    I was already on record as expressing scepticism about Neil deGrasse Tyson’s forthcoming Cosmos television series, as I view his knowledge of the history of science as at least as bad if not worse than Carl Sagan’s was and that was pretty terrible...

    Yes ...[text shortened]... ere in Germany and so I was spared this particular piece of history of science inanity
    What a blowhard that blogger is. Tyson did not elevate Bruno to the level of a great scientist; rather, he presented Bruno as something of a visionary who happened to make some correct guesses regarding the disposition of the universe. Tyson even said that Bruno had no evidence to back up his claims, and the point of the tale was to impress upon the viewer how free thought and inquiry were savagely suppressed in Europe half a millennium ago. Part of the story of science, which Cosmos purposes to tell, must include the revelation that science as we know it today is a relatively recent development.
  14. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    12 Mar '14 22:13
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    and the point of the tale was to impress upon the viewer how free thought and inquiry were savagely suppressed in Europe half a millennium ago.
    Really?! Care to elaborate...
  15. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    13 Mar '14 19:00
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Really?! Care to elaborate...
    To hell with ancient Europe, look what happened here in the US:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oklahoma-fox-station-cuts-evolution-segment-cosmos-article-1.1720481