Evolution: An adult fairytale?

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
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ASTROLOGY...do you even know what it is? I'll give you a hint, there are 12 zodiac signs.

Originally posted by Phil Hill
ASTROLOGY...do you even know what it is? I'll give you a hint, there are 12 zodiac signs.

Not really but then, like 'religion', I think it's multi-faceted and it's important to bear
that in mind when discussing it.

I thought I made it clear from my post that modern-day astrology is a lie that may
contain some truths. I am not defending fat molly-coddlers that use peoples
succeptibilty to flatter to push pseudo-nonsense down peoples throats (I'm guessing
that's what YOUR understanding of Astrology is).

Stephen Hawking stated "The reason most scientists don't believe in astrology is because it is not consistent with our theories that have been tested by experiment."
....
Sagan said he took this stance not because he thought astrology had any validity, but because he thought that the tone of the statement was authoritarian, and that dismissing astrology because there was no mechanism (while "certainly a relevant point" ) was not in itself convincing.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology
(which I have no doubt you have read)

I have decided to instead concentrate on one aspect of astrology (the lunar cycle) in an
attempt to prove some scientific validity.

Here is some information on how the lunar cycle fits in with the Astrological signs
of the zodiac.

The Moon orbits the earth in 28 days, spending a fleeting 2.33 days in each of the signs of the zodiac. Recently, more accurate measurements of the Lunar orbital period have revealed two different numbers, depending on viewpoint. The synodic period is measured relative to the Sun and gives us a period of 29.5 days from new Moon to new Moon, the start of the Lunar month. When observed from the Earth and relative to a fixed point in space, the sidereal period is 27.3 days with minor variations. In order to give a figure in whole numbers for ease of astrological calculation the Lunar orbit can be approximated to 27.75 days which then returns a period of 54 hours or 2.25 days for the Lunar transit of each sign.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_(astrology)

Do you see the problems with these kinds of arguments?

Religion says 'there is a God'. It goes on to say that our God has long, flowing
white hair and sits on a Gold chair.

Science proves that Gold chairs turn white hair brown. Ergo. There is no God.

edit. I believe the expression is 'be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water'.

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
Religion says 'there is a God'. It goes on to say that our God has long, flowing white hair and sits on a Gold chair.

You know as little about religion as you do about science, if that's your image of God.

Richard

Originally posted by Shallow Blue
You know as little about religion as you do about science, if that's your image of God.

Richard

It's a simile sweetheart. Want me to cut your food up for you too?

Originally posted by Phil Hill
ASTROLOGY...do you even know what it is? I'll give you a hint, there are 12 zodiac signs.

For somebody who hasn't been on the site for too long, you are one sarcastic piece of work!

Back off with your elf-righteousness and watch your back, or you might not be here for long.

Tone it down, please!

-m.

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
It's a simile sweetheart.

It's a simile which misses the mark so widely that it's useless. It's also an image which is already used too often by would-be nihilists to put up a straw man in their fight against "superstition". As such, I'll grant you that it is in its right place in a thread with a title as daft as this one's, but still, it makes no serious argument either for or against religion, nor for or against science.

Richard

Originally posted by mikelom
For somebody who hasn't been on the site for too long, you are one sarcastic piece of work!

Back off with your elf-righteousness and watch your back, or you might not be here for long.

Tone it down, please!

-m.

Watch my back....a threat? You should watch it with those or you might not be here long.

Originally posted by Shallow Blue
It's a simile which misses the mark so widely that it's useless. It's also an image which is already used too often by would-be nihilists to put up a straw man in their fight against "superstition". As such, I'll grant you that it is in its right place in a thread with a title as daft as this one's, but still, it makes no serious argument either for or against religion, nor for or against science.

Richard

Well, if it hit the mark it wouldn't be a simile now would it?

If you RTP, I am trying to draw comparisons between Astrology and religion.

I am attempting to show that you cannot dismiss all aspects of either subject
just because the whole doesn't make sense.

Far from treading on religion (which I admit is a favourite past-time of mine) I
am actually trying to highlight that either subject should be recognised as a consolidation
of a number of different subjects.

However, it does appear that simile's and metaphor's are not the typical Christians
strong suit.

I'm sick to death of these metaphysical hyperbole's. If you want to talk religion,
let us first discuss language structure. Words are what empowers the bible and
words are the main method God purportedly used to put across his/her/it's
message.

The word 'God' is not owned exclusively by religious people either.
Atheists are able to use it too, to represent entirety. But the concept is of little
use. It is preferred to break the word down into 'everything', 'everywhere' and
'of all time'. These are useful words that describe aspects. I cannot think of a
single use for the term 'God' outside of confusing small-minded peasants into
submission.

Getting back on track though. Is Evolution an adult fairytale. No. Why?
Because it serves a physically useful purpose.

Definition : fairytale

1. a story about fairies; told to amuse children
2. an interesting but highly implausible story; often told as an excuse

Let's pick that up point by point shall we.

1. Evolution : nup no fairies there. A lot written about there being no such thing as fairies though.
Religion : Extensive feature on people with wings and magical powers that intervene in human affairs.

definition fairy.
(in folklore) one of a class of supernatural beings, generally conceived as having a diminutive human form and possessing magical powers with which they intervene in human affairs.

2. Evolution : Plausible by means of constant, ongoing testing and fine tuning
Religion : 2000 year old book written decades after the events transpired by
a bunch of people who still believed the world to be flat.

I'm the first to admit that there's a lot that can take place outside of logic but
the fact remains the only tool we have to communicate these concepts are words.

You want to holiday on the slopes of contentment, there's a forum for that here,
it's just not this one.

Originally posted by mikelom
For somebody who hasn't been on the site for too long, you are one sarcastic piece of work!

Back off with your elf-righteousness and watch your back, or you might not be here for long.

Tone it down, please!

-m.

I got this one, thnx Mikelom.

Other than his move to mouth ration Phil does seem to have some ideas and
scientific knowledge.

I'm curious to see if he can back up his stance.

My first question is this then to the creationists.

Do you believe that language began in it's present day structure
or evolved into it?

edit. Knows that no Christian has the Kahoolies to answer this question.

Originally posted by Phil Hill
Watch my back....a threat? You should watch it with those or you might not be here long.

Scientifically, moderators can cut your account in seconds...... as evolution, even in cyber space, has its lawyers! 😉

-m.

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
My first question is this then to the creationists.

Do you believe that language began in it's present day structure
or evolved into it?

Personally, I believe language began, was invented, and always has been as it is.

I recall a 2,000 year old French book I read, and it contained, "Oui, je peux madame. Le-weekend... o la la."

French have always used le weekend, since the iron ages.... ooops sorry.. the ages of evolution....... oops sorry..the beginning and end! 😀

-m.

Originally posted by mikelom
Personally, I believe language began, was invented, and always has been as it is.

I recall a 2,000 year old French book I read, and it contained, "Oui, je peux madame. Le-weekend... o la la."

French have always used le weekend, since the iron ages.... ooops sorry.. the ages of evolution....... oops sorry..the beginning and end! 😀

-m.

Wow, you're drunker than I am!

Originally posted by mikelom
Back off with your elf-righteousness and watch your back, or you might not be here for long.

nah, i think he's being dwarf-righteous. dwarf-righteousness is perfectly acceptable here.