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  1. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    09 Dec '11 03:21
    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-12-high-performance-tasks-conscious-effort-video.html
  2. Subscriber WoodPush
    Pusher of wood
    09 Dec '11 16:48 / 2 edits
    I don't know how they get from this, to something like learning a language, like the article claims.

    Learning an auditory skill with only visual input seems like a stretch.
  3. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    09 Dec '11 17:26
    Originally posted by WoodPush
    I don't know how they get from this, to something like learning a language, like the article claims.

    Learning an auditory skill with only visual input seems like a stretch.
    It of course would not be from visual cues, there would have to be aural feedback as well. It could also be used say, if you are deathly afraid of the smell of death or something, I can see it being used with an olfactory generator to train you quickly to not be afraid of that smell. The general idea is the feedback of the Functional MRI shows how the brain is changing as a result of the inputs, whatever sense is involved, kinetec, visual, whatever.
  4. 13 Dec '11 13:55
    I don't believe anyone can learn a new language by this method. It's just too SciFi.
  5. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    14 Dec '11 01:45
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    I don't believe anyone can learn a new language by this method. It's just too SciFi.
    Hey, long time no hear! It's funny how sci fi has a habit of turning real though. Come back in ten years and things might be different. I would love to learn languages with the help of a FMRI! Bush knows I can't learn on my own I have a hole in my head where languages are supposed to go.....
  6. 14 Dec '11 18:31
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Hey, long time no hear! It's funny how sci fi has a habit of turning real though. Come back in ten years and things might be different. I would love to learn languages with the help of a FMRI! Bush knows I can't learn on my own I have a hole in my head where languages are supposed to go.....
    Thank you! I don't think I am fully cured from my RHPholic syndrome yet...

    Yes, of course sometimes SciFi comes true eventually. But not everything, it's not a law. In this specific case, I would say, not 10, more like 100 or 1000 years from now. Let's meet then and discuss it again over a quark soup with carrots.
  7. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    14 Dec '11 20:46
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Thank you! I don't think I am fully cured from my RHPholic syndrome yet...

    Yes, of course sometimes SciFi comes true eventually. But not everything, it's not a law. In this specific case, I would say, not 10, more like 100 or 1000 years from now. Let's meet then and discuss it again over a quark soup with carrots.
    Well, we could be like electricians, outstanding in the field
  8. 20 Dec '11 16:39
    It's not really true that no work would be needed. In fact, the training was quite extensive just to get you to be able to see a Gabor grating. You'd have to figure out the brain activation of a particular word/phrase, and then train people on that activation. Activation patterns are also idiosyncratic, which means you'd have to get that person into the MRI, and then train them on their own activation for each different word. Seems like a hopeless task to me, and not solely a problem of scaling up the *very simple* patterns of activation for gratings seen in V1/V2 in this experiment.
  9. 22 Dec '11 13:44 / 1 edit
    One of the comments in the article linked by sonhouse:

    that_guy write: "Now everyone, please put on your learning helmet."

    I have always had difficulties with integral calculus. But somewhere I have an old integral helmet from my biking days. Perhaps I should try that again...?
  10. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    23 Dec '11 03:51
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    One of the comments in the article linked by sonhouse:

    that_guy write: "Now everyone, please put on your learning helmet."

    I have always had difficulties with integral calculus. But somewhere I have an old integral helmet from my biking days. Perhaps I should try that again...?
    A sign that was posted at my old college, Palomar College: Don't drink and derive