10 Jul '08 19:33>2 edits
If you could be the designer of a "universe", how would you go about it?
I apologize for the metaphysical nature of this thread. Think of it as candy for the soul, and not as "Science to live by".
I would design a single irreducible ongoing computation that would begin and work toward a state that could not be known. The purpose of "existence" would be to reach that final state.
This would imply evolution. The mandate would be to change... forever change -- searching for the final "mystery" state. The only force needed in this universe could be called "change". Time and entropy and conservation would be it's children.
In this engineered universe, one would view the process as mysterious and planned, but unknowable. Any being that resulted (through evolution) as a means of pursuing the unknowable outcome, would ask "What is the meaning of existence?" and the ever changing computation would reply :
"If I knew the meaning then existence would be pointless. For if the end of the universe were present in it's beginning -- if we are merely in the middle of a deterministic unfolding of a set of initial conditions -- then the universe would be a pointless exercise. I am not pointless. You are not pointless. Everything has partial meaning. Nothing has full meaning until the computation is complete."
What kind of a universe would you engineer in this grand scheme? What mechanisms would you use for genesis?
I would invoke "a prime law" to embed math as the prime mover. Then I would use math/geometry to design a "rack" upon which matter/space/time could be installed. Then I would use higher maths to build space/time/energy/consciousness and hang it on the rack of space/time. This entire mechanism would be called "reality".
So the mechanism is mathematics. The very essence of space/time/matter and indeed the underpinning dark energy/matter??? that is the framework would all be part of the initial irreducible computational engine/problem/... slash "What"?
It is at this initial point of genesis that my imagination fails me. Some "force" so mighty that it builds "Integer" into "something" and proceeds to invest all of space time with "realness"...
The problem is this "prime law". My imagination can't even begin to envision the beginning. How would the "prime law" invent math? And "invent" implies intelligence, which is not logical, as we are trying for a "beginning of a universe" here. How would math create time? Or Space? Or .... anything. Which came first? Geometry or Curved Space/Time? My "prime law" must act in some way to give math physical reality. Math must be able to "fold" or "act upon" something in order to create the dark matter rack of reality.
The big bang obviously holds a truth, in as much as it seems to have happened. But in a universe where time is so weird... does "begin" have any force of "realness"?
I apologize for the metaphysical nature of this thread. Think of it as candy for the soul, and not as "Science to live by".
I would design a single irreducible ongoing computation that would begin and work toward a state that could not be known. The purpose of "existence" would be to reach that final state.
This would imply evolution. The mandate would be to change... forever change -- searching for the final "mystery" state. The only force needed in this universe could be called "change". Time and entropy and conservation would be it's children.
In this engineered universe, one would view the process as mysterious and planned, but unknowable. Any being that resulted (through evolution) as a means of pursuing the unknowable outcome, would ask "What is the meaning of existence?" and the ever changing computation would reply :
"If I knew the meaning then existence would be pointless. For if the end of the universe were present in it's beginning -- if we are merely in the middle of a deterministic unfolding of a set of initial conditions -- then the universe would be a pointless exercise. I am not pointless. You are not pointless. Everything has partial meaning. Nothing has full meaning until the computation is complete."
What kind of a universe would you engineer in this grand scheme? What mechanisms would you use for genesis?
I would invoke "a prime law" to embed math as the prime mover. Then I would use math/geometry to design a "rack" upon which matter/space/time could be installed. Then I would use higher maths to build space/time/energy/consciousness and hang it on the rack of space/time. This entire mechanism would be called "reality".
So the mechanism is mathematics. The very essence of space/time/matter and indeed the underpinning dark energy/matter??? that is the framework would all be part of the initial irreducible computational engine/problem/... slash "What"?
It is at this initial point of genesis that my imagination fails me. Some "force" so mighty that it builds "Integer" into "something" and proceeds to invest all of space time with "realness"...
The problem is this "prime law". My imagination can't even begin to envision the beginning. How would the "prime law" invent math? And "invent" implies intelligence, which is not logical, as we are trying for a "beginning of a universe" here. How would math create time? Or Space? Or .... anything. Which came first? Geometry or Curved Space/Time? My "prime law" must act in some way to give math physical reality. Math must be able to "fold" or "act upon" something in order to create the dark matter rack of reality.
The big bang obviously holds a truth, in as much as it seems to have happened. But in a universe where time is so weird... does "begin" have any force of "realness"?