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  1. 16 Jul '17 03:56
    Does Occum's razor dictate that the universe is empty?
  2. Subscriber FreakyKBH
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    16 Jul '17 04:10
    Originally posted by Christopher Albon
    Does Occum's razor dictate that the universe is empty?
    By weight or by volume?
  3. 16 Jul '17 05:04
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    By weight or by volume?
    By equation. i.e. 1 = 1. Is an empty expression
  4. 16 Jul '17 07:20
    Originally posted by Christopher Albon
    Does Occum's razor dictate that the universe is empty?
    No.
  5. 16 Jul '17 07:31
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    No.
    References please?
  6. 16 Jul '17 08:19
    Originally posted by Christopher Albon
    References please?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
  7. 16 Jul '17 08:37
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
    Ohhhh. That thing. Sorry, my misunderstanding.
  8. 16 Jul '17 09:10
    Originally posted by Christopher Albon
    References please?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
  9. 16 Jul '17 09:32 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Christopher Albon
    Does Occum's razor dictate that the universe is empty?
    no, because we have observed the universe and seen it isn't empty.
    Occum's razor doesn't directly apply to a hypotheses which we already know the truth value of.
  10. Subscriber FreakyKBH
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    16 Jul '17 14:01
    Originally posted by humy
    no, because we have observed the universe and seen it isn't empty.
    Occum's razor doesn't directly apply to a hypotheses which we already know the truth value of.
    That's an assumed knowledge, not an assured knowledge.
    In light of the complexity involved with both scenarios, i.e., one in which a highly complex and interdependent system randomly appears from nowhere and nothing over against one in which the entire scene is an exercise established for a higher purpose and reality by a Mind, whichever of the two offers the simplest answers is likely the correct one.
  11. 16 Jul '17 14:35
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    That's an assumed knowledge, not an assured knowledge.
    I think the existence of the universe is pretty much assured. You may take it as an assumption that you exist, but it is in philosophy considered the only thing we can be relatively sure of
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum
  12. 16 Jul '17 14:53 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    That's an assumed knowledge, not an assured knowledge.
    In light of the complexity involved with both scenarios, i.e., one in which a highly complex and interdependent system randomly appears from nowhere and nothing over against one in which the entire scene is an exercise established for a higher purpose and reality by a Mind, whichever of the two offers the simplest answers is likely the correct one.
    Do you mean the universe is a conspiracy?

    Seriously, Occam never said the simplest explanation is the correct one.

    "In science, Occam's razor is used as a heuristic guide in the development of theoretical models, rather than as a rigorous arbiter between candidate models.[1][2] In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion. (wikipedia: Occam)

    A heuristic technique (/hjᵿˈrɪstᵻk/; Ancient Greek: εὑρίσκω, "find" or "discover" ), often called simply a heuristic, is any approach to problem solving, learning, or discovery that employs a practical method not guaranteed to be optimal or perfect, but sufficient for the immediate goals. Where finding an optimal solution is impossible or impractical, heuristic methods can be used to speed up the process of finding a satisfactory solution. Heuristics can be mental shortcuts that ease the cognitive load of making a decision. Examples of this method include using a rule of thumb, an educated guess, an intuitive judgment, guesstimate, stereotyping, profiling, or common sense.(Wikipedia: Heuristic)
  13. Subscriber FreakyKBH
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    16 Jul '17 14:53
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I think the existence of the universe is pretty much assured. You may take it as an assumption that you exist, but it is in philosophy considered the only thing we can be relatively sure of
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum
    Existence isn't in doubt (as you stated, we are thinking), but status of said existence is an open secret.
  14. 16 Jul '17 15:50
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Existence isn't in doubt (as you stated, we are thinking), but status of said existence is an open secret.
    And 'status of said existence' is irrelevant to what was being discussed. Take your religious beliefs over to spirituality.
  15. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    17 Jul '17 10:33
    Originally posted by Christopher Albon
    Does Occum's razor dictate that the universe is empty?
    If the universe is empty, why are you here?