Originally posted by sonhouse You really don't get it. When the Arctic warms up, it actually releases more CO2 than it absorbs and that is happening as we speak. I am not talking about a cataclysm happening in ten years I am talking about the next 100 years and we are not doing our grandkids any favors, in fact they will most likely vilify us as stupid in the face of actual climate chan ...[text shortened]... civilization itself from hitting rock bottom and back to the 400's after the Roman Empire died.
Earth temps fluctuate. They always have and always will.
Now you are making predictions that can't be verified. Very nice. Al Gore should have done the same.
Originally posted by Eladar So the answer is no for you two true believers. No amount of false predictions will sway your belief.
No amount of wild speculation by politicians will sway my belief. And they shouldn't.
But my belief is based on knowledge and facts. It is not a religion.
Originally posted by Eladar During the 90's there was a great hysteria about global warming and the end of the world.
It has been proven wrong. How was it proven? The models and predictions of the 90's never came to pass.
The problem is that all you saw was Al Gore on TV.
Many of us knew about global warming in the 80s (some maybe before that, but I am not that old), and have known about it ever since and have monitored the actual science behind it, not the politicians.
The actual scientific models have been proven right. They have come to pass.
And the ice on Mt Kilimanjaro continues to melt. I note that you didn't give a reference in your OP, but if you had, I bet it would have included the statement that Mt Kilimanjaro WILL be ice free in the foreseeable future.
That you felt the need to hide that fact suggests you know full well that you are wrong.
Originally posted by Eladar Earth temps fluctuate. They always have and always will.
And when they fluctuate a lot, the results are catastrophic. In the past 5000 years, there were more deaths as a result of weather fluctuations than from war. Whole civilisations have come and gone due to climate change.
Now you may think that just because its happened before its ALL OK, I beg to differ. I don't want to die at 20 just because that was common 200 years ago.
And I don't want my children to suffer more than they need to just so that your employer can sell more coal. Go get a job at a solar farm.
Originally posted by twhitehead The problem is that all you saw was Al Gore on TV.
Many of us knew about global warming in the 80s (some maybe before that, but I am not that old), and have known about it ever since and have monitored the actual science behind it, not the politicians.
The actual scientific models have been proven right. They have come to pass.
And the ice on Mt Kili ...[text shortened]... uture.
That you felt the need to hide that fact suggests you know full well that you are wrong.
In the 70's we were worried about entering a mini ice age.
Originally posted by wildgrass Why talk about this topic in terms of "belief"? Climate science is not something that people choose to believe in. It's a field of scientific inquiry.
The belief part has to do with how much of this is man made and how much is natural cycle .
Another belief is how catastrophic it will turn out to be. If you believed the people in the 90's many parts of the world would be under water by now.
But what do you know, things aren't so bad after all.
Originally posted by Eladar The belief part has to do with how much of this is man made and how much is natural cycle ..
No it isn't. The whole of it is science, not belief. We don't choose to believe any of it just like we don't choose to believe the Earth is round but you choose to believe the vast global conspiracy theory.
Originally posted by Eladar The belief part has to do with how much of this is man made and how much is natural cycle .
Its not belief, its science. We can measure CO2 concentrations and other global warming gasses very accurately. When understand the science of heating gasses very accurately. Its really not that hard to calculate what the relative contributions are. What is complicated is calculating weather and predicting future weather patterns when the warming has happened.
What is complicated is calculating how much more CO2 will be released from swampy areas after they warm. What is complicated is calculating how fast ice will melt for a given temperature rise and how much the reduced snow cover will affect warming.
Another belief is how catastrophic it will turn out to be. If you believed the people in the 90's many parts of the world would be under water by now. Well maybe you should stop listening to Green Peace and Al Gore, and look at the science instead.
Originally posted by Eladar The belief part has to do with how much of this is man made and how much is natural cycle .
Another belief is how catastrophic it will turn out to be. If you believed the people in the 90's many parts of the world would be under water by now.
But what do you know, things aren't so bad after all.
Your position might be taken more seriously if you talked about "confidence" and "judgement" rather than belief, and used citations for your arguments. No one here understands what historical beliefs you're referring to. It seems like maybe you're conflating scientific knowledge with political propaganda, but I'm admittedly confused.
Here, it seems, a researcher went out on a limb and made a bold prediction based on his data. He was wrong, but scientists are wrong all the time. It comes with the territory when you're always working out at the edge of what we know and don't know.
Originally posted by wildgrass Your position might be taken more seriously if you talked about "confidence" and "judgement" rather than belief, and used citations for your arguments. No one here understands what historical beliefs you're referring to. It seems like maybe you're conflating scientific knowledge with political propaganda, but I'm admittedly confused.
Here, it seems, a r ...[text shortened]... es with the territory when you're always working out at the edge of what we know and don't know.
The computer models of global alarmists have been proven wrong. The earth adapts to different conditions.
Why no global warming? The oceans are absorbing the heat.
Now we see thr greening of the earth. What do plants do? Plants absorb CO2.
China has been dumping huge amounts of pollution into the environment but still no global warming according to some and nothing close to the computer models.
The cataclysmic global warming story is simply a lie. This is a proven fact.
Originally posted by Eladar http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/11/04/no-global-warming-at-all-for-18-years-9-months-a-new-record-the-pause-lengthens-again-just-in-time-for-un-summit-in-paris/o
The computer models of global alarmists have been proven wrong. The earth adapts to different conditions.
Why no global warming? The oceans are absorbing the heat.
Now we see thr greening ...[text shortened]... computer models.
The cataclysmic global warming story is simply a lie. This is a proven fact.
Kilaminjaro and Al Gore
09 May '17 16:39
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