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It takes about 8 minutes 19 seconds for light to travel from the Sun to Earth. If some of that light could travel at twice the speed of c, how long would it take those photons to reach Earth?
Originally posted by KazetNagorraIt wasn't literally possible for Einstein to run alongside a beam of light in one of his thought experiments, and it's not literally possible for light to travel at 2c. It's not necessary to define a new set of physics rules for the purpose of simply examining a thought experiment.
Your question is not well-defined. First define a new set of physics rules where it is possible for photons to travel at 2c.
Originally posted by lemon limeIn Newtonian physics, presumably exactly half that time. I am not sure what effects relativity has because you haven't specified where the clock is. The 8 minutes 19 seconds is presumably a clock stationary relative to the earth.
If it takes light about 8 minutes 19 seconds to travel from the Sun to Earth, then how long do you think it would take light traveling at 2c to reach the earth? Not that light can or does travel that fast, but IF it could travel that fast.
Originally posted by twhiteheadHe said nothing about changing the position of the clock or what kind of clock is used. However, it has been determined that atomic clocks at higher elevations above the earth run at faster speeds, so that could be a factor to consider. Bur common sense tells us that if no other factors are considered, the light should arrive in half the time if it is going twice as fast.
In Newtonian physics, presumably exactly half that time. I am not sure what effects relativity has because you haven't specified where the clock is. The 8 minutes 19 seconds is presumably a clock stationary relative to the earth.
Originally posted by lemon limeAccording to the equations of relativity, if anything traveled fast than c, it would be moving BACKWARDS and NOT forwards in time! (OBVIOUSLY, you can forget what RJHinds just said; he is talking out of his ignorant ass for he understands NOTHING about the fact of relativity )
It wasn't literally possible for Einstein to run alongside a beam of light in one of his thought experiments, and it's not literally possible for light to travel at 2c. It's not necessary to define a new set of physics rules for the purpose of simply examining a thought experiment.
[b]If it takes light about 8 minutes 19 seconds to travel from the ...[text shortened]... earth? Not that light can or does travel that fast, but IF it could travel that fast.[/b]
Originally posted by humyThat was the answer I was looking for, but there's another thought experiment I had in mind to follow this one.
According to the equations of relativity, if anything traveled fast than c, it would be moving BACKWARDS and NOT forwards in time! (OBVIOUSLY, you can forget what RJHinds just said; he is talking out of his ignorant ass for he understands NOTHING about the fact of relativity )
So I guess the answer to your question might not seem to make a whole lot of sense! ...[text shortened]... this until if or when we have a rational reason or pretty good evidence to believe the contrary.
Originally posted by humyThat answer does not make a whole lot of sense, in fact, it defies common sense. Try again.
According to the equations of relativity, if anything traveled fast than c, it would be moving BACKWARDS and NOT forwards in time! (OBVIOUSLY, you can forget what RJHinds just said; he is talking out of his ignorant ass for he understands NOTHING about the fact of relativity )
So I guess the answer to your question might not seem to make a whole lot of sense! ...[text shortened]... this until if or when we have a rational reason or pretty good evidence to believe the contrary.
Originally posted by RJHindsCommon sense also tells me the half way point between 8 minutes 19 seconds and instantaneous would have to be 4 minutes 9.5 seconds, but I agree with Einstein that a speed limitation exists. I don't know how he determined light to be the top speed and a point where time itself stops, but so far as I know no one has proven him wrong.
He said nothing about changing the position of the clock or what kind of clock is used. However, it has been determined that atomic clocks at higher elevations above the earth run at faster speeds, so that could be a factor to consider. Bur common sense tells us that if no other factors are considered, the light should arrive in half the time if it is goin ...[text shortened]... ossibility that the further the light is from the earth the faster it travels.
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Originally posted by lemon lime"... then how can the Universe know exactly when that free will decision was made before it happened?"
That was the answer I was looking for, but there's another thought experiment I had in mind to follow this one.
Now let's assume an imaginary observer who is able to view the entire universe, and also assume his clock is the constant. In other words, no matter what relative differences in time may be in effect throughout the universe, we are able to ...[text shortened]... erse know exactly when that free will decision was made before it happened?
Originally posted by lemon limeDoes this have anything to do with the idea of time travel?
Common sense also tells me the half way point between 8 minutes 19 seconds and instantaneous would have to be 4 minutes 9.5 seconds, but I agree with Einstein that a speed limitation exists. I don't know how he determined light to be the top speed and a point where time itself stops, but so far as I know no one has proven him wrong.
There were a few th ...[text shortened]... 'm going to catch some flak for saying this, just watch and see. It never fails[/i]
Originally posted by RJHindsIt does have something to do with time travel, but only in the sense that (IMO) there are too many paradoxes to overcome. Time travel may intuitively seem possible because we can imagine it happening, but I don't believe it's something we can actually do. This hasn't dampened my enjoyment of time travel stories or thinking about it from time to time... I still enjoy watching sci-fi flicks involving time travel, even though I no longer believe it's possible.
Does this have anything to do with the idea of time travel?
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOr maybe... what appears to be a short jump back in time could in fact only be an illusion. If so, then this one would be a whopper.
"... then how can the Universe know exactly when that free will decision was made before it happened?"
An unexplained form of omniscience, it would seem.
Originally posted by RJHindsWOW you are just such an ignorant moron. Just for once, try actually UNDERSTANDING something about the topic of conversation for just a change and then come back to us.
That answer does not make a whole lot of sense, in fact, it defies common sense. Try again.
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