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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16587-first-draft-of-neanderthal-genome-is-unveiled.html?full=true
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16587-first-draft-of-neanderthal-genome-is-unveiled.html?full=true
Originally posted by jaywill….One step forward and two backwards for proving Evolution of man from primates ?
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Though evidence for or against human-Neanderthal fraternisation may draw all the popular attention, evolutionary biologists are eager to apply the data to less prurient projects. First among those will be understanding what makes humans human.
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One step forwa ...[text shortened]... do you know that these Neanderthals were not degenerated humans rather than evolving primates ?[/b]
Originally posted by jaywillYou seem to be obsessed with this degenerated version of evolution, we were all much better in the past but now we are in this terrible state. But in the case of Neandertal's, we branched off from a common ancestor millions of years or thereabouts before that, from some more ape like creature maybe Homo Habilis. The analysis of the genetic structure proves that, there are genes just the same as modern humans but there are also genes that are not in modern humans but among the ones that are seems to be the ability to talk, or have language, common to both. They were certainly not brutes but very intelligent beings who may have lost out because of several reasons, one new one being put forth that they were built for cold climates and at the end of the last ice age were forced to the savanna's where modern humans could run a heck of a lot faster and longer and were more successful at tracking down the same game Neandertal's were competing for. The last of them seems to have been living off the southern coast of Spain in the caves on the beach, eating fish and crabs and such, Archeologists found their remains and the food they ate all fossilized, about 13,000 years old, something like that.
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Though evidence for or against human-Neanderthal fraternisation may draw all the popular attention, evolutionary biologists are eager to apply the data to less prurient projects. First among those will be understanding what makes humans human.
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One step forwa ...[text shortened]... do you know that these Neanderthals were not degenerated humans rather than evolving primates ?[/b]
Originally posted by sonhouseNeanderthals appear around 250,000 years ago. The last common ancestor was almost certainly H. Ergaster. H. Habilis became extinct around 2 million years ago.
But in the case of Neandertal's, we branched off from a common ancestor millions of years or thereabouts before that, from some more ape like creature maybe Homo Habilis.
Originally posted by jaywillAs noted by others there is no reason to use the word 'degenerated' - that was probably just a product of your ego.
My question has been, how do you know that these Neanderthals were not degenerated humans rather than evolving primates ?
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe fact the they appear in the fossil record before modern humans should rule that out. I think you meant that humans are not descended from Neanderthals. 😉
As noted by others there is no reason to use the word 'degenerated' - that was probably just a product of your ego.
As for the question of which direction the family tree is going, that should be resolvable. A thorough analysis of the DNA should reveal sequences that are found in other primate but not in humans. Such sequences would be strong evidence (though not conclusive) that Neanderthals are not descended from humans.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtNo, indeed not the end, just the beginning of the story. There was a time when there was also only one modern human genomed, so more will come for sure. There are lots of differnt neantertals to pick from. Not as many as modern humans for sure but enough to satisfy the pickiest scientist, eventually!
Neanderthals appear around 250,000 years ago. The last common ancestor was almost certainly H. Ergaster. H. Habilis became extinct around 2 million years ago.
Edit: the stuff about genetics isn´t resolved yet, scientists are still arguing. The media have a habit of publishing the latest findings uncritically. Bear in mind they have sequenced one N ...[text shortened]... sequenced a handful of H. Sapiens). This provides evidence, but it is not the end of the story.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtI think I got my post right. I was replying to jaywill who suggests that Neanderthals might be descended from humans. I simply think that even if we put the fossil record aside, there should be genetic evidence as to who is descended from whom when it comes to the various apes, and that if Neanderthals share genes with chimpanzees that humans do not have then it is strong evidence that Neanderthals are not descended from humans.
The fact the they appear in the fossil record before modern humans should rule that out. I think you meant that humans are not descended from Neanderthals. 😉
Originally posted by twhiteheadApologies, with you now - I read it and assumed a sort of typo.
I think I got my post right. I was replying to jaywill who suggests that Neanderthals might be descended from humans. I simply think that even if we put the fossil record aside, there should be genetic evidence as to who is descended from whom when it comes to the various apes, and that if Neanderthals share genes with chimpanzees that humans do not have then it is strong evidence that Neanderthals are not descended from humans.