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@wildgrass
You are surprised? We have known that for years.
You are surprised? We have known that for years.
@sonhouse saidWhat exactly am I surprised about?
@wildgrass
You are surprised? We have known that for years.
@wildgrass saidHavn't you beat that dead horse enough?
There are dozens of epidemiological studies showing that masks are effective at slowing the spread.
@metal-brain saidThere are dozens of epidemiological studies showing that masks are effective at slowing the spread.
Havn't you beat that dead horse enough?
The Netherlands did not make mask wearing mandatory until recently and their C19 death rate is 15th in Europe.
There is your epidemiological study without bias. Apparently wearing masks does more harm than good. Belgium has the most deaths per capita and it borders the Netherlands. Wearing masks made Belgium and the UK a wreck ...[text shortened]... sks were effective the Netherlands would be in the top 5 and they are not even in the top ten. FAIL!
@metal-brain saidWearing masks in shops did not become compulsory until after the end of the first lockdown in the UK. There had been 40,000 deaths (source World-o-Meters) by then. It was at the high end of the European average.
Havn't you beat that dead horse enough?
The Netherlands did not make mask wearing mandatory until recently and their C19 death rate is 15th in Europe.
There is your epidemiological study without bias. Apparently wearing masks does more harm than good. Belgium has the most deaths per capita and it borders the Netherlands. Wearing masks made Belgium and the UK a wreck ...[text shortened]... sks were effective the Netherlands would be in the top 5 and they are not even in the top ten. FAIL!
@metal-brain saidThis is more data from China and is relevant to the original strain and not necessarily to the more transmissible strains that are now circulating.
Now we know why lockdowns and masks don't help. We were told asymptomatic carriers of the SARS2 virus were contagious. It looks like that was never the case.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
@deepthought saidI didn't cherry pick anything. That is ridiculous.
Wearing masks in shops did not become compulsory until after the end of the first lockdown in the UK. There had been 40,000 deaths (source World-o-Meters) by then. It was at the high end of the European average.
Your method here seems to be to pick a country where mask wearing is compulsory and there is a high death rate, and then to pick a country where mask wearing ...[text shortened]... lower population density and a relatively young population is going to produce a misleading result.
@metal-brain saidThat IS cherry picking. You say you don't cherry pick and then do just that in the same breath with "Netherlands is 15th in deaths in Europe." thus cherry picking only Netherlands out of the whole of Europe.
I didn't cherry pick anything. That is ridiculous.
The Netherlands is 15th in deaths in Europe.
@metal-brain saidThat's because they are, just merely less contagious;
We were told asymptomatic carriers of the SARS2 virus were contagious.
...lockdowns and masks don't help.You have so far provided no good evidence that lockdowns and masks don't help while we have shown good evidence that they do help.
@humy saidI think you are mistaken.
That's because they are, just merely less contagious;
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3
"...Byambasuren’s review also found that asymptomatic individuals were 42% less likely to transmit the virus than symptomatic people...."
That above 42% is NOT 100% no matter how you try and twist it.
That's according to that study. And there are othe ...[text shortened]... od evidence that lockdowns and masks don't help while we have shown good evidence that they do help.
@metal-brain saidNumbers of what? And why cannot you look it up yourself? We won't baby sit you. And from which article? The first one? If you won't percentages, I just did.
Show me the quote of those numbers from the article.