Oldest life forms on Earth found, 3.5 billion years old:

Originally posted by sonhouse
In other words, you can't. So much for your interest in actual science.

I am not interested in science fiction.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am not interested in science fiction.

The Instructor

Or science either. Can you even elucidate which science you are actually interested in? I don't think you can. You are clearly against ALL science.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Or science either. Can you even elucidate which science you are actually interested in? I don't think you can. You are clearly against ALL science.

I am interested in good science that includes proven computer science, physics, chemistry, geology, and biology. However, there is no proof that the oldest forms of life found on earth are anywhere near 3.5 million years old. So it is no more than an outrageous claim and certainly not good science.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am interested in good science that includes proven computer science, physics, chemistry, geology, and biology. However, there is no proof that the oldest forms of life found on earth are anywhere near 3.5 million years old. So it is no more than an outrageous claim and certainly not good science.

The Instructor

You can't possibly like Physics and Geology, they are in cahoots. Physics has given Geologists the tools to measure the ages of rocks and fossils and that using quite a number of separate techniques that all converge on the dating areas they are accurate in. Some are accurate to only 50,000 years, some to 3 million years, some to 100 million years and some to multiple billions of years, all using separate techniques, several in each time frame category where they converge on dates.

So physics gives geology really good tools to use for dating which means physics and geology are both in on the conspiracy to kill creationism.

Therefore you HAVE to hate those to disciplines.

Originally posted by sonhouse
You can't possibly like Physics and Geology, they are in cahoots. Physics has given Geologists the tools to measure the ages of rocks and fossils and that using quite a number of separate techniques that all converge on the dating areas they are accurate in. Some are accurate to only 50,000 years, some to 3 million years, some to 100 million years and some ...[text shortened]... th in on the conspiracy to kill creationism.

Therefore you HAVE to hate those to disciplines.

More to the point,
Physics proves the non-existence of souls, spirits, and the afterlife.
While also explaining how the universe formed and how our solar system came to exist.

Originally posted by googlefudge
More to the point,
Physics proves the non-existence of souls, spirits, and the afterlife.
While also explaining how the universe formed and how our solar system came to exist.

I wouldn't be too sure of that. Science predicts the existence of several dimensions of reality. Not enough is known outside of our own existence to be able to say with certainty that intelligence or other forms of life do not exist outside of our own experience.

Originally posted by joe beyser
I wouldn't be too sure of that. Science predicts the existence of several dimensions of reality. Not enough is known outside of our own existence to be able to say with certainty that intelligence or other forms of life do not exist outside of our own experience.

Google was talking about supernatural beings with power to interact with us Earthy types. It would not surprise me at all to find at some point in the future, whether 1000 years from now with a continuous development of science or 10 years from now from some kind of breakthrough into multidimensional research, I don't see an impediment to multidimensional lifeforms happening.

That kind of thinking is what makes me not be a total atheist since such a being, although perfectly natural in its own environ would be a god in ours at least in some aspects.

There was even a few sci fi stories written with the idea of illuminating the characteristics of such a life form. It would come off as supernatural for sure where it would have access to most any time and space in our universe so what to it would be moment of its time frame ducking in and out of our universe like poking a stick into different parts of a sandy beach, it could appear in our time frame of say, 1399 CE then pop out and reappear in the year 1200, pop out and back in reappearing in the year 2230 and so forth where that experience would be sequential for that life form but we might view such a being as some kind of god.

That is the kind of thinking that leads me to not embrace full atheism, the possibility of such a being that would be perfectly natural in its own environment but seen as some kind of god here.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Google was talking about supernatural beings with power to interact with us Earthy types. It would not surprise me at all to find at some point in the future, whether 1000 years from now with a continuous development of science or 10 years from now from some kind of breakthrough into multidimensional research, I don't see an impediment to multidimensional l ...[text shortened]... being that would be perfectly natural in its own environment but seen as some kind of god here.

I have thought the same thing. Other beings and even a god may exist, but the truth does not seem to be with religion. Multidimensional worlds are hard for us to understand as we see a beginning and end to everything from our perspective. Perhaps the world is much different than we think.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Google was talking about supernatural beings with power to interact with us Earthy types. It would not surprise me at all to find at some point in the future, whether 1000 years from now with a continuous development of science or 10 years from now from some kind of breakthrough into multidimensional research, I don't see an impediment to multidimensional l ...[text shortened]... being that would be perfectly natural in its own environment but seen as some kind of god here.

Well, I don't know what you mean by 'full atheist'.

But I am perfectly prepared to accept the possibility of advanced alien life
forms with powers and technology we don't have.

In fact I would be surprised if such beings didn't exist, somewhere in this vast
universe.

I just wouldn't call them gods.


This is an issue dealt with on lots of sci-fi including as a central plot element of
Stargate.

In the Stargate (tv) universe. The old gods were actually various aliens posing as deities
and using their advanced technology to impress the primitive humans.

And it's a central point of the show that our main characters, even when met with this
advanced technology and beings with amazing, god-like powers, do not ever consider
them to actually be gods.



Now if you would consider such a being to be a god, and we actually found one, and
proved it existed, then I would believe it existed.
This isn't incompatible with me being an atheist, because it wouldn't fall into the set
of possibilities I accept as definitions of god.

I have such constraints because otherwise you could get someone who worshipped
the sun as a god, or the universe as a god, and well they exist, so I would believe they
exist.



However, just because a being exists in more spacial dimensions than we can, doesn't
mean it with have time travel abilities.

Apart from anything else that would require the concurrent existence of both our past and future.
And this is by no means a given.

If the past and future don't exist, and there is only an ever changing now then it doesn't
matter how powerful you are, you wouldn't be able to time travel. (or at least not Hollywood
time travel)