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  1. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    16 Jan '10 16:58
    http://www.physorg.com/news182779099.html

    It seems the Dutch have learned how to turn pig stem cells into pure pork. I wonder if Jews can eat it now?
  2. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Do ya think?
    17 Jan '10 01:37
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    http://www.physorg.com/news182779099.html

    It seems the Dutch have learned how to turn pig stem cells into pure pork. I wonder if Jews can eat it now?
    PIG stem cells.
  3. 17 Jan '10 14:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    PIG stem cells.
    A cell is not a pig, not even a stem cell. Pork meat from a stem cell cannot be unclean. Only pigs are, they say.

    But do I think they will agree? No. They will never enjoy a good Pata Negra. Even a synthetic one. Of religious reasons.
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Do ya think?
    17 Jan '10 22:51
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    A cell is not a pig, not even a stem cell. Pork meat from a stem cell cannot be unclean. Only pigs are, they say.

    But do I think they will agree? No. They will never enjoy a good Pata Negra. Even a synthetic one. Of religious reasons.
    Pig stem cells means pig biology, which means the meat is more similar to human meat than most, and conducts disease better.

    Of course the disease would have little chance to get in there...
  5. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    17 Jan '10 23:24
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    A cell is not a pig, not even a stem cell. Pork meat from a stem cell cannot be unclean. Only pigs are, they say.

    But do I think they will agree? No. They will never enjoy a good Pata Negra. Even a synthetic one. Of religious reasons.
    I talked to a friend in New Zealand today and mentioned this, she is Jewish, she said Jews couldn't eat it because it was pig DNA. I think that was just a gut reaction but I wonder what the wider Jewish world would think.
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Do ya think?
    18 Jan '10 03:06 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I talked to a friend in New Zealand today and mentioned this, she is Jewish, she said Jews couldn't eat it because it was pig DNA. I think that was just a gut reaction but I wonder what the wider Jewish world would think.
    I'm sure they'd agree, unless they eat pork already like most of the (non-practicing, obviously) Jews I've known did.
  7. 18 Jan '10 09:52
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Pig stem cells means pig biology, which means the meat is more similar to human meat than most, and conducts disease better.

    Of course the disease would have little chance to get in there...
    You mean that some don't eat pork because it's close to cannibalism?
    Never thought of it that way...
  8. 18 Jan '10 09:54 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I talked to a friend in New Zealand today and mentioned this, she is Jewish, she said Jews couldn't eat it because it was pig DNA. I think that was just a gut reaction but I wonder what the wider Jewish world would think.
    Piggish DNA doesn't differ much from any other DNA. Made of sugar molecules and amino acids and such. It's its order that defines that a certain DNA comes from pig, nothing else.
    But I don't think we eat meat only because it's contents of DNA.
  9. 18 Jan '10 10:32
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Pig stem cells means pig biology, which means the meat is more similar to human meat than most, and conducts disease better.

    Of course the disease would have little chance to get in there...
    The pig genome, like the human genome, is already riddled with various viral elements like retrotransposons and it is unclear if they might mobilise in a human host or worse again transmit to the germ line. This has lead to a great deal of caution about xenotransplantation where pig organs with humanised antigens might help solve the shortage of human organs for transplant operations.
  10. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    18 Jan '10 11:05
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I talked to a friend in New Zealand today and mentioned this, she is Jewish, she said Jews couldn't eat it because it was pig DNA. I think that was just a gut reaction but I wonder what the wider Jewish world would think.
    It definitely could be something like the gadgets some Jewish people use to get around the Sabbath restrictions.
  11. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Do ya think?
    18 Jan '10 11:57
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    You mean that some don't eat pork because it's close to cannibalism?
    Never thought of it that way...
    No, because pigs transmit diseases to humans like trichonosis (is that the right word?) and influenza.
  12. 18 Jan '10 12:09
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    No, because pigs transmit diseases to humans like trichonosis (is that the right word?) and influenza.
    I eat pork and I've never been sick? Of that reason?
  13. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Do ya think?
    18 Jan '10 13:39
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    I eat pork and I've never been sick? Of that reason?
    Because pork in first world countries is carefully kept free of disease.
  14. 18 Jan '10 13:44
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Because pork in first world countries is carefully kept free of disease.
    Does this mean that jews in the 1st world can eat as much pork as they want?
    And the rules of the old testament is not relevant today, because they have problem eating pork, and we don't?

    Back to topic...

    I don't think artificially grown pork will be specifically tasty. The constistence like fungus, and the taste like plastic? And for now it is *very* expensive.
  15. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    18 Jan '10 16:36
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Piggish DNA doesn't differ much from any other DNA. Made of sugar molecules and amino acids and such. It's its order that defines that a certain DNA comes from pig, nothing else.
    But I don't think we eat meat only because it's contents of DNA.
    I actually brought up that same point. I think it goes beyond scientific arguments after that. There was an interesting unreasoning objection based purely on religious law.