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Originally posted by @sonhouseDon't forget oxygen.
Try breathing CO2 and see what heppens, just like breathing N2 or Ar2, not poisonous either.
Toxicity always has been, and always will be, about dose.
Originally posted by @sonhouseDon't forget oxygen.
Try breathing CO2 and see what heppens, just like breathing N2 or Ar2, not poisonous either.
Originally posted by @metal-brainYour post doesn't make sense. "leftists ... only goal with climate change mitigation policy is tax increases." What? That is very weird and most definitely wrong. Of course energy efficiency has been a common political goal for a long time. See: Lightbulbs. Cars. Appliances. etc. Just search the interspheres for "energy efficiency policies" and a myriad of things come up that are decidedly not right-wing priorities.
There are plenty of products that are needlessly inefficient that can be made much more efficient. This could be done now and it makes sense, but even the leftists in government have no will to do so. Why are they sitting back and letting all this electricity go to waste?
http://www.mitsubishicomfort.com/articles/energy-efficiency/not-in-use-but-drai ...[text shortened]... ery low priority to politicians regardless of political party.
Summary: You have been duped.
Originally posted by @wildgrasshis posts rarely do but especially when he speaks of his "lefties" and "greenies" load of crap.
Your post doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by @wildgrassThat is your psychological projection. Your post doesn't make any sense.
Your post doesn't make sense. "leftists ... only goal with climate change mitigation policy is tax increases." What? That is very weird and most definitely wrong. Of course energy efficiency has been a common political goal for a long time. See: Lightbulbs. Cars. Appliances. etc. Just search the interspheres for "energy efficiency policies" and a myriad o ...[text shortened]... trump-plans-to-spike-a-popular-cheap-effective-program-that-also-reduces-emissions-af1e12d33c75/
Originally posted by @metal-brainUhh, the article you posted argued for unplugging appliances while not in use. I was replying to that. The simple flyer actually worked in my house, so I assume it's worked in others'. I put it on the fridge. It's frankly amazing that leftist Energy Star saved hundreds of billions in consumers' energy costs without a single mandate to manufacturers. It's not just through awareness but also tax incentives, tips for building/renovating homes for energy star compliance (which raises home values), advice on repairs and insulation, cost calculators, and long term energy strategies for homes and business. And yet the leftists you decry are now fighting to save the program while conservatives call it a waste of money. That's why your post didn't make sense.
That is your psychological projection. Your post doesn't make any sense.
Essentially what you are saying is that every household in America should unplug all of their DVD players, VCRs, CD players and TVs when they are not being used? When my kids went back to my ex-wife for the week I had them unplug the power strips from their rooms, but aside from ...[text shortened]... on tax later when you have allowed fossil fuels to be wasted. That a tax agenda, not a solution.
Originally posted by @wildgrassI never said I had anything against Energy Star. I'm for it.
Uhh, the article you posted argued for unplugging appliances while not in use. I was replying to that. The simple flyer actually worked in my house, so I assume it's worked in others'. I put it on the fridge. It's frankly amazing that leftist Energy Star saved hundreds of billions in consumers' energy costs without a single mandate to manufacturers. It's ...[text shortened]... ce consumers to buy new ones?
[1] https://www.energystar.gov/products/electronics/televisions
Originally posted by @metal-brainThat only works for regular household items but a toaster for instance, will be unlikely to ever be usable if it doesn't have a thousand watt filament in it. Maybe someday there will be a highly efficient IR emmiter that can do that job but not right now, same with ovens.
I never said I had anything against Energy Star. I'm for it.
It will take more than just helping people find more efficient electrical products. That is a great start, but manufacturers are trying to sell less expensive products more than efficient products. I doubt the most efficient DVD player sells as well as it should.
It seems to me that I a ...[text shortened]... he answer as long as it will pay for itself in energy savings. Many products meet that criteria.
Originally posted by @sonhouseToasters are as efficient as possible at producing heat. Nothing can be done there except make the filaments closer to the bread. Kind of irrelevant.
That only works for regular household items but a toaster for instance, will be unlikely to ever be usable if it doesn't have a thousand watt filament in it. Maybe someday there will be a highly efficient IR emmiter that can do that job but not right now, same with ovens.
DVD players already use minimum electricity and some portables run for hours on a ...[text shortened]... fect weather. But going off the CO2 tit will help a LOT but we have to worry about Methane also.
Originally posted by @metal-brainYou're more serious because you want to regulate the manufacturing of an outdated technology? That doesn't exactly sound serious to me. Think bigger.
It seems to me that I am more serious about efficiency than the leftists that falsely claim they are.
Originally posted by @wildgrassWhat outdated technology? What are you talking about?
You're more serious because you want to regulate the manufacturing of an outdated technology? That doesn't exactly sound serious to me. Think bigger.
I know some "leftists" who keep their homes between 7-10 Celsius in the winter to save energy (apparently you get used to it). I know some leftists who don't use electricity in their homes - at all. I kno ...[text shortened]... ment, but conservatives will certainly lose that one. Maybe you're serious but leftists are too.
Originally posted by @metal-brainDVD players.
What outdated technology? What are you talking about?
Originally posted by @wildgrassDVD players are not outdated technology.
DVD players.
Originally posted by @metal-brainI bought one DVD player in my life... in 2002. I gave it to Goodwill in 2010, and I will never buy another one.
DVD players are not outdated technology.
Nobody can read your mind. What are you talking about?
Originally posted by @wildgrassThat is a poor argument. I have 4 DVD players in my home. I only use a couple, but they are still sold and people buy them all the time. My brother gave me a Blue Ray disc player recently and I see them in the ABC Warehouse paper all the time. I don't doubt sales are dropping, but this is more than DVD players. I merely used DVD players as an example, not because it is the best example. I suppose TVs would be a better example, but I did mention CD players, Amp/receivers, VCRs and maybe something else before, but I just wanted to keep it simple instead of making a long list of electronic devices used in the home.
I bought one DVD player in my life... in 2002. I gave it to Goodwill in 2010, and I will never buy another one.
I understand that folks still use DVD players frequently, but some hipsters still use 8-track tapes too. Meanwhile hundreds of movies can be watched online with a Netflix subscription. If you like free shipping, a hundred more are on Amazon. ...[text shortened]... future for sure.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/entertainment/tech-generations/
Originally posted by @metal-brainI mentioned no tax. You're talking about a tax. Your plan taxes manufacturers' for expensive R&D and expensive materials to fulfill the mandate, or taxes consumers paying the higher price. What will you get, say in 10 years, compared to our current strategy? I brought up Energy Star since it does the same thing you're talking about through conscious consumerism that adapts to evolving technology, without the tax you propose. Instead, you're mandating to me what appliances I can own and jacking up the price?
You would rather have a tax later than do something about it now to avoid it.