05 Apr 20
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https://techxplore.com/news/2020-04-italy-doctors-sleek-robots.html
As AI technology greatly improves, I bet this will eventually become the norm in all hospitals with nearly all if not all the work being done by robot doctors and nurses and with very few if any human one's.
In fact, I think that human labor will not only be replaced by robots in all hospitals but also in all factories mines power-stations shops supermarkets public-transport-drivers etc. and then society will have no choice but to dump the old work-ethic belief that everyone that can should do paid work because there will be no paid jobs because robots & AIs would then be doing all the otherwise paid jobs for humans.
This won't stop many people choosing to do some work without pay and for other motives other than pay. In such a society I would still choose to work as a science researcher and wouldn't cure if I didn't get extra income for doing so as opposed to choosing to do no work.
05 Apr 20
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@eladar saidyou wouldn't necessarily need a paid job to have a good future. It just depends on how society restructures and adapts itself to AI and automations that replace paid jobs; would it be restructured intelligently to allow people to have meaningful lives or will it be restructured stupidly to ignore the new reality by forcing people to look for paid jobs that don't exist and penalizing those that fail to obtain them?
Looks like many people will be without jobs with little future.
As I said, I and many other people would happily choose to do some work for no extra income and I don't see the problem with that.
One way for society to be restructured intelligently is for it to have a universal citizen's income for everyone and is automatically given to everyone regardless of whether they work or choose to not do voluntary work while being able to work (so none of that 'signing on as unemployed' crap or filling in huge social security forms etc)
05 Apr 20
@humy saidPhysical health presentations come with complex emotional and behavioural needs which vary greatly from one patient to another. Nurses not only manage these issues by what they do, there is also a being with factor that would be impossible to replace since you simply would not be being with other human beings at a time of need. There was an interesting interview with a nurse on the news who was clearly struggling with the way that PPE might impair the being with aspect of her role.
https://techxplore.com/news/2020-04-italy-doctors-sleek-robots.html
As AI technology greatly improves, I bet this will eventually become the norm in all hospitals with nearly all if not all the work being done by robot doctors and nurses and with very few if any human one's.
In fact, I think that human labor will not only be replaced by robots in all hospitals but also in ...[text shortened]... er and wouldn't cure if I didn't get extra income for doing so as opposed to choosing to do no work.
05 Apr 20
@petewxyz saidThere was a story on the BBC website about a nurse who was thanked by a patients family because she sat with an elderly patient as she died. A machine can't do that. In health machines can reduce human workload and make some tasks manageable, but it'll be a long time before they'll replace basic nursing or diagnosis.
Physical health presentations come with complex emotional and behavioural needs which vary greatly from one patient to another. Nurses not only manage these issues by what they do, there is also a being with factor that would be impossible to replace since you simply would not be being with other human beings at a time of need. There was an interesting interview with a nurse ...[text shortened]... ews who was clearly struggling with the way that PPE might impair the being with aspect of her role.
05 Apr 20
@humy saidWhich leads us to the main question: When robots can do the work of 95% of the population, why would the elites need to keep 95% of humanity around to clutter the planet?
https://techxplore.com/news/2020-04-italy-doctors-sleek-robots.html
As AI technology greatly improves, I bet this will eventually become the norm in all hospitals with nearly all if not all the work being done by robot doctors and nurses and with very few if any human one's.
In fact, I think that human labor will not only be replaced by robots in all hospitals but also in ...[text shortened]... er and wouldn't cure if I didn't get extra income for doing so as opposed to choosing to do no work.
05 Apr 20
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@bunnyknight saidWho are these "elites"? Are you talking here about the robots and/or AIs or the super-rich humans that own some of the means of production being these "elites"? And how and why might they strive to eliminate 95% of humanity? Would this motivation be purely all about money and maximizing profit?
Which leads us to the main question: When robots can do the work of 95% of the population, why would the elites need to keep 95% of humanity around to clutter the planet?
05 Apr 20
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@humy saidI'm talking about the billionaire families, of course. You know, those that own the best real estate, the biggest corporations, and most of the politicians.
Who are these "elites"? Are you talking here about the robots and/or AIs or the super-rich humans that own some of the means of production being these "elites"? And how and why might they strive to eliminate 95% of humanity? Would this motivation be purely all about money and maximizing profit?
The same people that start wars for profit, and sell weapons for profit.
Put yourself in their shoes: Once robots are able to provide you with food, construction, and most of the labor, why would you want all those extra people around? They will be volatile, dangerous, needy, hard to control,and prone to terrorism and revolutions.
@bunnyknight saidHumy believes that the masses are in control. He believes the tripe he is being fed.
I'm talking about the billionaire families, of course. You know, those that own the best real estate, the biggest corporations, and most of the politicians.
The same people that start wars for profit, and sell weapons for profit.
Put yourself in their shoes: Once robots are able to provide you with food, construction, and most of the labor, why would you want all th ...[text shortened]... d? They will be volatile, dangerous, needy, hard to control,and prone to terrorism and revolutions.
05 Apr 20
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@bunnyknight saidEven if most of those politicians and billionaire families etc want to kill the rest of us, and most wouldn't be psychopathic enough to want to let alone seriously plan it for real because most people, even they, are NOT psychopaths, I don't see how it would be credible for them to arrange that.
I'm talking about the billionaire families, of course. You know, those that own the best real estate, the biggest corporations, and most of the politicians.
The same people that start wars for profit, and sell weapons for profit.
Put yourself in their shoes: Once robots are able to provide you with food, construction, and most of the labor, why would you want all th ...[text shortened]... d? They will be volatile, dangerous, needy, hard to control,and prone to terrorism and revolutions.
It would require an illegal and extremely evil huge mass conspiracy amongst them to occur first and, because they certainly aren't ALL psychopathic monsters, many wouldn't agree and thus many would warn everyone else of such a conspiracy thwarting their plans for mass murder.
And how would they manage to kill most of humanity without likely harming themselves in the process? Germ warfare? Nuclear? I see no practical means.
I should also point out that, and partly because of automation greatly reducing the demand for human labor, there is ALREADY and long has been a large proportion of the human adult population that are long term unemployed with little prospect of them ever going to paid work; So why haven't those politicians and billionaire families etc ALREADY killed off those 'useless' people? ('useless' because they don't contribute to profits) I mean, what's the hold up? Why wait until the higher proportion of the population is 'useless' before committing mass murder of all the 'useless' proportion?
05 Apr 20
@humy saidA trusting serf.
Even if most of those politicians and billionaire families etc want to kill the rest of us, and most wouldn't be psychopathic enough to want to let alone seriously plan it for real because most people, even they, are NOT psychopaths, I don't see how it would be credible for them to arrange that.
It would require an illegal and extremely evil huge mass conspiracy amongst them to ...[text shortened]... tion of the population is 'useless' before committing mass murder of all the 'useless' proportion?
05 Apr 20
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@humy saidFirst: Anyone engaging in business of selling weapons while stirring-up conflicts and wars is at best a borderline psychopath.
Even if most of those politicians and billionaire families etc want to kill the rest of us, and most wouldn't be psychopathic enough to want to let alone seriously plan it for real because most people, even they, are NOT psychopaths, I don't see how it would be credible for them to arrange that.
It would require an illegal and extremely evil huge mass conspiracy amongst them to ...[text shortened]... tion of the population is 'useless' before committing mass murder of all the 'useless' proportion?
Second: There are many ways to decrease the population and get away with it -- such as starting a war and blaming it on someone else, or starving a nation with sanctions, or .... use your imagination. But you certainly wouldn't want to go around killing your own citizens on the streets; that would be too obvious and cause a violent backlash.
06 Apr 20
@bunnyknight saidLike when that damn Spinning Jenny arrived!
Which leads us to the main question: When robots can do the work of 95% of the population, why would the elites need to keep 95% of humanity around to clutter the planet?